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possession of the RA the game is rigged

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change begins gauge here I occasionally

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat from outside it is worth

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KCRA the global radio alive

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I mean yourself to the year 1985

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your nickname - thank you drag with

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all right hi you do it how you do and

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that's the question that's right this is

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the spoke radio [\h__\h] das masses yeah

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around the world all across the United

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changer Network and K GRA the planet I'm

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what is cracking everybody how you do a

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big show tonight yeah yeah yeah yeah

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let's get straight to it tonight it's

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our roundtable discussion has our UFO

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community been infiltrated we have put

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Spiegel author and show host Micah Hanks

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general manager race Hobbs show host and

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Houser and director of view Parrs Los

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with Jon Rappoport and is no more fake

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country a totally uncool event and it

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motorcycle diaries no no he has known

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the world over for selling more t-shirts

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happy birthday che guevara I'm the sane

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history Oh TV night

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electronic digital computer UNIVAC which

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school in the Canal Zone his name was

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Raymond drag set one of the coolest guys

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Zone College and what a way to go you

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dedication to Raymond rageth truly one

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the British Pound is the world's oldest

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currency still in use it is over twelve

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hundred years old and that is a fader

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community been infiltrated yes we have

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put together ten of the very best

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professionals in our community tonight

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Heiser and director review par Steve

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broke today that you probably didn't see

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hanging out of your pockets let's throw

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some rose petals out there on the floor

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of life because it seems that Elon Musk

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has put his Mars colonization vision to

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paper and you can read it now for free

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SpaceX is building our founder and CEO

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just published a plan which he unveiled

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at a conference in Mexico back in

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September 2016 and it's posted in the

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jet in the journal news space his

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commentary titled making humanity a

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multiplanetary species is available for

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free on the new spaces website you can

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go there musk Mars vision centers on a

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reusable rocket and spaceship combo that

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he's dubbed the interplanetary transport

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system or the IPS both the booster and

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the spaceship will be powered by

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SpaceX's Raptor engine which is still in

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development by the way and he says will

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be about three times stronger than the

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Merlin engines that power the company's

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Falcon 9 rocket now the booster with its

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42 Raptors will be the most powerful

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rocket in history by far by a longshot

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it will be capable of launching 330 tons

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into low Earth orbit or 600 tons in an

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expendable variant for comparison by the

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way NASA's famous Saturn 5 rocket the

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current record holder could loft just

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150 tons the I TS rockets will launch

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the spaceships into Earth orbit then

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come back down for a pinch

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landing about 20 minutes later and by

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pinpoint I'm not exaggerating here okay

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with the addition of maneuvering

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thrusters they think that they can

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actually put the booster right back on

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the launch pad he wrote about all of

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this in the new space paper citing

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SpaceX is increasingly precise Falcon

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nine first aged landings and they have

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been impressive the IDS boosters will

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launch many spaceships and fuel tankers

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to orbit over the course of their

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operational lives the rockets will be

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designed to fly about 1,000 times each

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the spaceships meanwhile will hang out

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in Earth orbit and then depart in mass

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when Earth and Mars align this happens

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about every twenty six months we talk

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about this all the time in the show

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eventually he envisions 1,000 or more I

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TS spaceships each carrying 100 or more

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people leaving Earth orbit during each

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of these mars windows the architecture

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would conceivably get 1 million people

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to Mars within the next 50 to 100 years

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now it sounds crazy doesn't it the ships

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the ships would also fly back for Mars

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using their nine Raptor engines and

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methane base propellant that was

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manufactured on the Red Planet each I TS

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ship would probably be able to make 12

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to 15 deep space journeys during its

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operation life and each fuel tanker

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could likely fly to earth orbit 100 or

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so times now listen to me the I TS

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reusability is key it's key to making

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Mars continent colonization affordable

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this reusability combined with other

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measures such as feeling the spaceships

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in Earth orbit and making propellant on

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Mars could bring the price of a red

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planet trip down to about 200 thousand

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dollars now think about this

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well that's per person that's per ticket

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from an estimated can be

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million dollars right now using

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conventional spacecraft systems ITF

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spaceships would begin flying to Mars in

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about ten years and if everything goes

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well right it could happen but he did

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acknowledge that success is far from

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guaranteed so there you go and that's

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pretty exciting news and it just went

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under the radar today and unless you

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were looking for it you didn't see it

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it's a pretty amazing paper and I read

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through the entire thing and you need to

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go and check it out

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like I said it's like throwing rose

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petals out there Elon Musk is out of his

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mind all right

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in a good way in a good way we need

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somebody thinking like that completely

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outside of the box if you think about it

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uh Rick just said what if we're already

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on Mars see that's the beauty of having

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it in private hands right think about

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that all right

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mmm man I love fresh coffee now a little

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a little note before the show tonight as

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you know or you know or may not that

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this broadcast has made its way around

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social media and it's made it around in

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a big way and that's cool

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and it says to me that people are alert

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right and and and they need this subject

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talked about we can talk about

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abductions and channeling and

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visitations and things in the sky and

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night-vision and documents and

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disclosure we can talk about that every

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single day on the show and we do right

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but the subject that we're going to talk

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about tonight just hasn't been breached

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it hasn't been covered and we anticipate

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a very large a large audience tonight as

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it should be this is a very touchy

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subject right now and all of ufology and

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I'm talking about the infiltration you

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know this upheaval that's been going on

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and all of ufology has been talking

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about it which means that not only will

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we have big numbers tonight live but

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that this show will be played back and

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listened to for years to come

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and because of that we need to be very

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conscious of this this is a touchy

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subject and the way that we deal with it

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today the way that it's been dealt with

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in the past is going to be a guidebook

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for the future and how things are dealt

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with and how people look at us in the

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future and look back to see how we dealt

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with this it could be a playbook so

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think about that it's it's not only for

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the show tonight

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but I really need to drive this home

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it's for the future it's for those that

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will follow us because over the last

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three to four weeks our community has

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not only seen attacks but it seemed

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false accusations on groups on networks

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networks and on conferences and I was

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completely shocked I talked about it

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since it started to surface on the show

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and although and and I really mean this

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although I know what's going on because

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I can see the ebb and flow of things but

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I don't have the time to go and read

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everything because first off I don't

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care I'm smarter than that

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but there is so much of it out there

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that it just it just got out of control

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so I you know I read what people send me

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an email

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I'll read the headline of it okay boom

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whatever I get it but I saw what was

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going on and and some of it I was

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actually witness to or where you hear

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people making up false claims and I'm

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there and I know what's going on it's

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just like this this is just crazy just

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absolutely nuts you know

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Edie and so it's it's it was shocking to

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me and the the meltdown this is where

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I'm going to get a little specific

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the meltdown the total mind meltdown

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of a few individuals who seemed to

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either I don't know lack judgment that's

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a first possibility or maybe have

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completely lost control of their

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faculties there's that maybe somebody's

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been activated in some crazy

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mind-control program and they don't even

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know what's going on right there's that

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possibility could it be a concentrated

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effort from groups outside that want to

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see this community disrupted there's

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there's that which is a very big

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possibility right and and for whatever

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reason they have left large chunks of

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ufology just completely stunned some

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people in ufology today haven't gone

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through this before they weren't around

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when the mj-12 documents went nuts they

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weren't around when the alien autopsy

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film came out you know they weren't

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around for for some of those things and

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and things that happened before that you

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know they just weren't around so they've

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seen this nice Golden Age of ufology

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where things have been really really

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really cool for you know like the last

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ten years

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lots of discovery lots of things going

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on up there ancient aliens and books and

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graham hancock and just just wonderful

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wonderful things that have been going on

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to put you know gobekli tepe things that

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have been pushing our community forward

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at a very fast clip and we've been able

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to discuss and wonder and just have a

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great time with this but they haven't

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witnessed ever this this crazy

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negativity that's going on it's been a

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long time since you follow G has seen

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these kind of flames but to be honest

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you know we're going to survive it we're

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going to move on we always do but this

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is the other thing it's names and

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finger-pointing you know and it's

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certainly from this side of the fence

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will never happen it just won't and

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you're going to ask me why well first it

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isn't what's most important what is most

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important is that it has all happened at

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the same time in the last three weeks

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from groups and individuals who don't

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seem to be connected

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and second finger pointing only helps

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feed the artificial fire and someone out

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there will say you know and I'm quoting

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here finger quotes see I'm important

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they talked about me know it ain't going

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to happen my friends that is juvenile

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and that is stupid this is a

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professional broadcast we have nothing

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but the best and the brightest on this

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show we always will and we will never

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step down to that level it's just stupid

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and what I need to do what these guests

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tonight on the show need to do is help

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you and help you just realize when you

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see this kind of negativity out there

510
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and what to do about it you need to

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really realize what is the goal here

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what is the goal everyone tonight has

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been invited because of their

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professionalism because of their

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reputation because of their background

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their experience and more importantly

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the respect that they have achieved

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throughout our community they have been

519
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there they have weathered the storm

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they have been through all of this and

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you need to hear from them you need to

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hear from all of them at this point

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because it's a very important time you

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need answers and remember this show is

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about learning from the past it's always

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been that the show was about what is

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going on today it's always been that and

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most importantly how do we move forward

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okay and to just remember that the one

530
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thing about this show the one thing

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about me the one thing about our crew

532
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and and the fader nuts if you think

533
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:37,980
about this we have never ever ever once

534
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said anything publicly on the air that

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has been negative

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about anybody a group an individual we

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just don't do that

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we've never posted that we've never put

539
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anything in an email and I've said it

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many many times have my email account

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hack it you're not going to find

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anything look at all of the posts look

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at all of the everything in social media

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look at every tweet look at everything

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ever that's why this community has

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gathered around this show because you

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know it's not going to be that you don't

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come here for that so enjoy yourself

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tonight

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it's going to be a really great show I'm

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really really looking forward to it

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listen to what everybody has to say all

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right there you go

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I'm your host Jimmy Church follow me on

555
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Twitter at J Church radio it's a you

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understand the format format is uh I'm

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sorry but I'm clicking stuff behind me

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and I can't see because I don't have my

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glasses on there you go all right the

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format is I will have two guests on

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every half-hour for the next two and a

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half hours this is our UFO community

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roundtable has the UFO community been

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infiltrated what to do about it and how

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to move forward

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first up Lee Spiegel of The Huffington

567
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Post and author show host Micah Hanks

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get ready buckle up kids it's going to

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be a good one I'll be right back

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that can be quite lethal in the name of

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diets can be very important to stay

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00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:15,039
all right welcome back fade to black you

638
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can follow me on Twitter at change radio

639
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:19,999
we'll give some Twitter accounts from

640
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all of our guests tonight if you want to

641
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tweet them this is our UFO community

642
00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:31,789
roundtable discussing has the UFO

643
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community been infiltrated past present

644
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:37,929
and future we have 10 guests tonight and

645
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first up out of the gates Lee Spiegel

646
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:46,309
and Micah Hanks and I'm going to and for

647
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,730
the both of you the format is obviously

648
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we're going to have two guests on every

649
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half hour and we're going to get through

650
00:31:58,570 --> 00:31:54,850
this two and a half hours dead guests

651
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but I will guide all everybody through

652
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:01,549
this and and direct questions and

653
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everybody so we don't talk over each

654
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:04,669
other because it's always a mess when

655
00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:06,710
you have a bunch of guests on so I will

656
00:32:10,779 --> 00:32:07,700
say first

657
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,789
good evening Lee how are you good how

658
00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:12,559
are you doing tonight you mean pretty

659
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:14,899
good Lee it is going to be one of those

660
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:17,240
nights now Lee's Spiegel representing

661
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:20,090
tonight Huffington Post one of the big

662
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media organizations in the country and

663
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one of the leading journalists writers

664
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researchers over the lastly I'm just

665
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:32,450
going to say it publicly 50 years oh my

666
00:32:37,299 --> 00:32:34,340
gosh another gray hair just popped in

667
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right and and and I paired you tonight

668
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with the young and ambitious and uber

669
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smart the one and only from the graylien

670
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report Micah Hanks Micah good evening

671
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:48,440
Jimmy Church you know there's an old

672
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tradition down here in the sweet sunny

673
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South where I'm from and that entails

674
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:53,690
that on Wednesday nights you go to

675
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church and here we are right and it's

676
00:33:00,669 --> 00:32:57,679
nice Spiegel Lee brother how you doing

677
00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:00,679
I'm good like a long time no hear and

678
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:02,659
talk - it's good to hear your voice yeah

679
00:33:06,009 --> 00:33:04,129
and we got to do it more often but hey

680
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:06,019
no better time the present so here we

681
00:33:08,739 --> 00:33:06,200
are

682
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:08,749
hey stop talking over me that's part of

683
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the program tonight now you know and and

684
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thank you for the the slight brevity

685
00:33:21,009 --> 00:33:17,080
here it's a touchy subject right now and

686
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:21,019
the last three weeks this community not

687
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only the UFO community but the nation in

688
00:33:26,919 --> 00:33:24,679
the world

689
00:33:29,259 --> 00:33:26,929
it's been you know it's been tipped

690
00:33:32,139 --> 00:33:29,269
upside down going back certainly to the

691
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beginning of 2016 if we just stay with

692
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,039
modern events but that being said the

693
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:36,320
last three weeks has been pretty bleep

694
00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:39,110
and dramatic in the UFO community and

695
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:41,539
lis out of respect because you're the

696
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:43,220
old guy in the room right now I'm going

697
00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:44,990
to throw it I'm going to throw it to you

698
00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:49,190
first what with with your experience in

699
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:51,860
the past and certainly you've seen this

700
00:33:57,549 --> 00:33:54,799
come and go many many times what do you

701
00:34:00,489 --> 00:33:57,559
think is occurring today what is causing

702
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,499
this this infighting finger-pointing and

703
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:02,960
this Fanning of the flames in the UFO

704
00:34:09,069 --> 00:34:06,169
community well you know Jimmy this is

705
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:09,079
nothing new when I first got interested

706
00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:12,770
in doing UFO research back in the mid

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1970s back then we we had several

708
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well-known somewhat respected UFO

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organizations I mean we had MUFON the

710
00:34:30,579 --> 00:34:28,369
mutual UFO network we had a pro the

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aerial phenomenon research organization

712
00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:32,569
we had my cap right the national

713
00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:34,280
investigations committee on aerial

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00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,980
phenomena we had q foes the Center for

715
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:39,679
UFO studies and and they were like you

716
00:34:43,210 --> 00:34:41,450
know they're all over the place and they

717
00:34:47,859 --> 00:34:43,220
were all doing the same kind of thing

718
00:34:50,289 --> 00:34:47,869
collecting UFO reports and and doing

719
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:50,299
their research but the problem back then

720
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,990
which is still the problem now is that

721
00:34:58,660 --> 00:34:56,000
nobody wants to talk to each other

722
00:35:00,400 --> 00:34:58,670
nobody wants to share information it's

723
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:00,410
like I got the best stuff and you can't

724
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:03,490
have it or maybe you can for a price

725
00:35:10,349 --> 00:35:06,940
it's been ridiculous to watch this

726
00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:10,359
evolve like this over the decades and

727
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:13,700
and many of these people have great

728
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:17,000
integrity and and it's just a lot I

729
00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:18,380
think the major problem here is that

730
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:20,839
czars ufology there is just too much of

731
00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:23,930
this there are too many daily pictures

732
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:27,460
and videos posted to YouTube by

733
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:29,980
individuals trying to get some attention

734
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:33,170
now the problem here is it's hard to

735
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:35,450
tell the the hoaxers or the charlatans

736
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:38,570
the the UFO snake oil sales people

737
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,330
from legitimate credible witnesses

738
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:44,000
that's a big problem right now because I

739
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:47,210
think what's happening is there's so

740
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:50,420
much backstabbing that the people who

741
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,500
are having legitimate experiences are

742
00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:56,240
they're afraid of being ridiculed and

743
00:36:01,300 --> 00:35:58,730
many of these people won't come forward

744
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,310
I think we're losing a lot of credible

745
00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:03,200
stories because people are just afraid

746
00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:05,630
of the ridicule factor that's always

747
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:07,580
been there it's always been underlying

748
00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:09,770
the whole UFO community one of the

749
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:12,620
things that I find shocking with your

750
00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:15,290
comment there with our community and I'm

751
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:17,600
going to throw this over to Micah

752
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:19,970
because Micah's he's the young guy in

753
00:36:27,130 --> 00:36:24,260
the room so and he is a technically

754
00:36:27,790 --> 00:36:27,140
savvy guy you should see his studio it's

755
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:27,800
off the hook

756
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:30,110
and he's a talented musician and so he

757
00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:32,450
knows about audio and networks and and

758
00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:35,270
and everything else that's an electronic

759
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:41,360
Micah why is it today that the the

760
00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:44,270
community and in general too as well

761
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:47,150
outside of the UFO community will use a

762
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:51,290
YouTube video as a source of credible

763
00:37:00,040 --> 00:36:56,240
information well how did we get here

764
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:00,050
where that is that is vetted journalism

765
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:02,510
that a YouTube video is something that

766
00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:04,220
somebody's going to cite and quote how

767
00:37:08,620 --> 00:37:06,830
does that happen well I know my good

768
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:08,630
friend Lee Spiegel will agree that is

769
00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:10,130
not a vetted source by any means

770
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:12,230
journalistic journalistically speaking

771
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,850
the other thing that we got to keep in

772
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:15,440
mind you know as human beings were

773
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,870
visual beings you know we have

774
00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:20,000
stereoscopic vision we have evolved to

775
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:22,580
be able to see and that is our dominant

776
00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:23,960
sense although there are a lot of others

777
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:26,270
which at times may take predominance

778
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,370
over sight but I mean primarily what we

779
00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:30,800
see is most attractive to us now in the

780
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:32,300
old days with print journalism you could

781
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:34,250
have photojournalism - you had no

782
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:36,140
colorful photography that would

783
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:38,450
accompany articles but but the thing

784
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:40,370
that has changed is that we consume more

785
00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:42,230
media on the portable multifunction

786
00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:43,880
devices that we carry in our pockets and

787
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,040
so much of that now is video streaming

788
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:48,320
or something that's been recorded but

789
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:50,810
there is this this real-time aspect to

790
00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:52,280
it also with Facebook live and all these

791
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:52,520
kind

792
00:37:55,810 --> 00:37:54,410
things so the way that we're getting our

793
00:37:57,460 --> 00:37:55,820
media is changing and this is

794
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:57,470
fundamentally changing the way that we

795
00:38:01,840 --> 00:37:59,720
interpret information around us and the

796
00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:01,850
kinds of sources that we go to for that

797
00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:03,590
information so you know first and

798
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:04,820
foremost if we really want to break this

799
00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:06,920
down the first bone I have to pick is he

800
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:08,390
keeps saying I'm the young guy in the

801
00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:09,970
room what I thought I was like a

802
00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:12,590
thousand-year-old Time Lord here but you

803
00:38:17,350 --> 00:38:14,420
know we won't we won't split hairs I

804
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:17,360
will however quote Bruce Lee and he and

805
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:19,550
several people I'm sure of the the

806
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:21,530
decades have said this if not centuries

807
00:38:25,690 --> 00:38:23,630
don't believe anything you hear and

808
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:25,700
believe only half of what you see these

809
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:26,570
days I don't know if you can even

810
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:28,130
believe half of what you see because of

811
00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:29,990
again Jimmy the way that technology

812
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,420
although it puts more media at our

813
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:34,880
fingertips it's also making it more and

814
00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:38,450
more easy to falsify and be misleading

815
00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:39,950
with the information that is made

816
00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:40,580
available

817
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:42,080
you know CGI that's been a thing for

818
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:44,210
years already but we also have the spin

819
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:46,550
that is put on things by the media where

820
00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:48,440
you don't have to alter or edit anything

821
00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:50,870
apart from just maybe how much of what

822
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:53,030
you show and in what context you present

823
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:56,090
it and this this polarization that we

824
00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:57,770
see in society is not something that is

825
00:39:02,410 --> 00:38:59,960
is relegated to the UFO community I

826
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:02,420
think that this is in in broader terms

827
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:04,570
very much a part of the human condition

828
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:07,160
now I'm going to throw I'm going to go

829
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:08,690
back to Lee but I'm going to ask the

830
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:12,290
same question of you Mike in just a

831
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:15,980
second Lee in your writing for

832
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:18,380
journalistic integrity which is most

833
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:20,510
important especially with what you do

834
00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:22,130
you're professional journalist for the

835
00:39:29,110 --> 00:39:23,000
Huffington Post

836
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:29,120
would you ever cite a social media post

837
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:32,750
or a YouTube video as a source of

838
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:37,400
information in one of your articles well

839
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:41,950
to answer that I I will often show a

840
00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:45,890
YouTube video I did something like that

841
00:39:51,850 --> 00:39:48,380
just a few weeks ago when I basically I

842
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:51,860
exposed the Russian news organization

843
00:39:59,260 --> 00:39:55,190
called Pravda that that falsified an

844
00:40:03,340 --> 00:39:59,270
entire story about how they claimed NASA

845
00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:03,350
had photographed three UFOs going across

846
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:05,270
the Sun and they had they showed a

847
00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:06,160
wonderful

848
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:09,620
illustration of these UFOs and and in

849
00:40:16,510 --> 00:40:13,070
order to help break it all down I showed

850
00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:16,520
in my story another example of a YouTube

851
00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:20,060
video from a well-known site that that

852
00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:23,600
is often criticized for making things up

853
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:26,300
and they they were putting out this this

854
00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:29,150
image that showed the Sun and maybe

855
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,830
you've all seen it maybe your audience

856
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:32,960
as soon it showed some kind of a

857
00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:35,120
circular thing dark circular thing on

858
00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:38,270
the outside of the Sun seemingly taking

859
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:40,700
energy from the Sun and then zipping

860
00:40:45,850 --> 00:40:43,490
away the fast pace speed and and the

861
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:45,860
site claiming well this is obvious this

862
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:48,320
is an extraterrestrial presence on the

863
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:50,210
Sun and the stealing energy from us I

864
00:40:57,610 --> 00:40:54,260
will cite these kinds of videos but I

865
00:41:00,910 --> 00:40:57,620
will never say that I think this is the

866
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:00,920
real deal because I don't know listen

867
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:03,770
there are 10 year old kids out there who

868
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:06,350
can sit in front of a computer and with

869
00:41:11,620 --> 00:41:09,110
simple basic photoshop skills they can

870
00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:11,630
create like a 5 minute video that will

871
00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:13,550
just knock your socks off and you'll go

872
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,000
wow that's it that's that's the leak The

873
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:19,040
Smoking Gun we don't have to do anything

874
00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:22,910
more now we can just study Bigfoot right

875
00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:25,430
right and it might go right but right

876
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:27,320
back at you you know one of the things

877
00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:29,450
about you that I've always enjoyed over

878
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:32,030
the years is you are very pragmatic and

879
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:33,770
I've always called you black and white

880
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:36,650
but I bet but it is a term of endearment

881
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:39,680
but for you a you know going on a show

882
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:41,810
like this or your own show would you

883
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:45,290
ever cite something like that you know

884
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:47,570
some social media post or a YouTube

885
00:41:54,490 --> 00:41:51,350
video and quote that as as being your

886
00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:54,500
source of information here if I believed

887
00:42:01,980 --> 00:41:57,260
it if I actually thought no to leave I

888
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:01,990
was lean that was a like I say yeah okay

889
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:04,250
but I was just going to say let me add

890
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:05,630
this really quickly this entire time I

891
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:07,070
thought what Jimmy liked about me was my

892
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:09,290
eyebrows like the entire rest of the

893
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:12,530
internet yeah and listen coming back to

894
00:42:16,090 --> 00:42:13,910
your question though watch my eyebrows

895
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:16,100
are going to go viral okay rather get

896
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:17,780
litter storm here after after I said

897
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:18,910
that but

898
00:42:24,299 --> 00:42:22,210
yes I would I would actually use a

899
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:24,309
youtube video or something that was

900
00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:26,020
posted to Facebook but again you have to

901
00:42:29,609 --> 00:42:27,640
like kind of coming back to what Lee's

902
00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:29,619
talking about there if I'm writing an

903
00:42:33,630 --> 00:42:31,150
article about something yes vetting

904
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:33,640
sources you know critically thinking

905
00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:35,230
being skeptical these are all very

906
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:37,869
necessary but I also think it's okay to

907
00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:40,210
comment on something without endorsing

908
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:42,460
it if you are reporting on it this is

909
00:42:46,529 --> 00:42:44,049
really fundamentally what journalism is

910
00:42:48,359 --> 00:42:46,539
off what its intended to be about these

911
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:48,369
days however and I'll briefly cite

912
00:42:50,819 --> 00:42:49,510
something that happened down the road

913
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,829
here there was a professor at Furman

914
00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:52,440
University in Greenville South Carolina

915
00:42:57,059 --> 00:42:54,700
and he had commented on what he called

916
00:42:59,370 --> 00:42:57,069
something to the effect of the Bigfoot

917
00:43:02,279 --> 00:42:59,380
effect he said you know back in the

918
00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:02,289
1970s and 80s the National Enquirer or

919
00:43:05,819 --> 00:43:03,940
whatever news source they could comment

920
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:05,829
on Bigfoot and they could report that a

921
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,470
guy Joe Bob down the road here at

922
00:43:12,029 --> 00:43:10,240
clayton claims that he saw a strange

923
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:12,039
creature walking across the road in the

924
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:13,510
middle of the night now you may not

925
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:16,660
believe Joe Bob's story but we reported

926
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:18,970
and it was true that he claimed he saw

927
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:20,530
something like that these days it seems

928
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:22,630
that that distinction does not exist if

929
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:25,210
you report on an alleged sighting of

930
00:43:29,579 --> 00:43:27,220
UFOs or a strange hairy man beast or

931
00:43:31,769 --> 00:43:29,589
something like that you are tagged as

932
00:43:33,779 --> 00:43:31,779
part of the problem for reporting on

933
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,789
that that distinction it does seem to

934
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,400
have changed over the years and with

935
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:38,319
great respect of course for sites like

936
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,529
Snopes that are trying to debunk what

937
00:43:46,289 --> 00:43:44,079
they perceive as being unlikely or

938
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,299
incredible stories I think that there

939
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:48,880
has become this kind of a race to try

940
00:43:54,329 --> 00:43:50,980
and point the finger and point at what

941
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:54,339
is fake news or what is again just wumu

942
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,990
whatever you want to call it and there

943
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,760
isn't a lot of discerning thought put to

944
00:44:01,200 --> 00:43:59,470
the idea that hey there may be more to

945
00:44:02,579 --> 00:44:01,210
reality than we think we know as well as

946
00:44:04,109 --> 00:44:02,589
the fact that hey it's also okay to

947
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:04,119
report on things that doesn't

948
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,770
necessarily mean you endorse what you're

949
00:44:09,569 --> 00:44:08,079
reporting so within that context I think

950
00:44:11,819 --> 00:44:09,579
it is okay but it's all in how you

951
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:11,829
report on what you are linking to if

952
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,910
there's a video or something that's

953
00:44:17,819 --> 00:44:15,520
proven or appeared online be sure and

954
00:44:19,859 --> 00:44:17,829
say hey we don't know what this is and

955
00:44:21,299 --> 00:44:19,869
responsibly we can restore report on

956
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:21,309
that without endorsing that and we

957
00:44:26,339 --> 00:44:23,770
believe UFOs have landed in this video I

958
00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:26,349
hope that makes sense it does it does

959
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:28,900
and we just need to practice that we

960
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:30,730
need to look at everything and listen to

961
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:31,850
stuff with squint

962
00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:34,510
eyes you know that's what we have to do

963
00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:39,830
now the the last three weeks we have

964
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:42,140
seen in ufology some of the craziest

965
00:44:48,010 --> 00:44:45,230
stuff that has been not only posted and

966
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:48,020
reported on and salacious accusations

967
00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:51,710
and justjust insanity and it has come

968
00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:55,820
from from what I see from from sources

969
00:44:59,920 --> 00:44:57,380
that aren't even connected with each

970
00:45:02,410 --> 00:44:59,930
other now and it's all happened at the

971
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:02,420
same time Lee what do you think is going

972
00:45:07,630 --> 00:45:05,240
on here do you think it's it's some kind

973
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,640
of mind-control activation program for

974
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:09,920
these people have you been aware is is

975
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:13,040
that that is it ego is it people that

976
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:14,990
are just trying to get noticed is it

977
00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:18,890
jealousy what's going on here why is it

978
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:21,500
all happening at the same time well I

979
00:45:28,810 --> 00:45:25,520
think there's way too much teasing of

980
00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:28,820
the public with this alleged alien

981
00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:31,880
evidence and and there's never a solid

982
00:45:37,930 --> 00:45:35,960
payoff following that tease and and I

983
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:37,940
think that too many people are getting

984
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:40,670
on the bandwagon looking for this thirty

985
00:45:44,770 --> 00:45:42,200
seconds of fame because they know that

986
00:45:47,590 --> 00:45:44,780
the public is hungry for this kind of

987
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:47,600
accurate information and reporting the

988
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:49,670
public wants them away are we alone are

989
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:51,770
we not alone are we being visited and

990
00:45:58,810 --> 00:45:56,000
and there are shysters out there who are

991
00:46:01,330 --> 00:45:58,820
making some money in some cases a lot of

992
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:01,340
money by getting people to pay for

993
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:04,610
things products and services that

994
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:09,080
promote a teasing effect and and I also

995
00:46:14,290 --> 00:46:12,920
think the media is to blame for for a

996
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:14,300
lot of this because I mean after all

997
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:18,140
after all these decades of reporting UFO

998
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:21,050
stories to the public it's too often

999
00:46:26,590 --> 00:46:23,240
still snicker data and that's what you

1000
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:26,600
just said to me in general the media

1001
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:28,490
doesn't I don't think that the media

1002
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:32,720
really knows or fully understands how to

1003
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:35,870
present UFO stories in any other place

1004
00:46:42,509 --> 00:46:38,810
besides after the weather forecast and

1005
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:42,519
the sports report on the 11 o'clock news

1006
00:46:47,819 --> 00:46:45,249
I've always felt that the UFO issue is

1007
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:47,829
very complex and and it would it would

1008
00:46:54,479 --> 00:46:51,729
just be really helpful if if more people

1009
00:46:58,469 --> 00:46:54,489
like for example I'll just I won't name

1010
00:47:01,049 --> 00:46:58,479
names but the SETI Institute for example

1011
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:01,059
made up of many scientists well

1012
00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:03,460
credentialed scientists and they're out

1013
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:05,950
there looking for alien signals from

1014
00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:07,960
outer space but they don't want to talk

1015
00:47:13,769 --> 00:47:10,900
about UFOs and when they do talk about

1016
00:47:17,069 --> 00:47:13,779
it it's always in a well there's just no

1017
00:47:19,499 --> 00:47:17,079
evidence well you know there are lots of

1018
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:19,509
different kinds of evidence that make up

1019
00:47:25,229 --> 00:47:22,150
something that's credible but to just

1020
00:47:27,089 --> 00:47:25,239
dismiss it without even considering the

1021
00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:27,099
fact that maybe people are reporting

1022
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:30,369
something that truly is remarkable and

1023
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,880
should be studied by someone I think

1024
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:35,920
it's it's a bad it's sending a bad

1025
00:47:40,289 --> 00:47:38,170
message when scientists say no there's

1026
00:47:42,299 --> 00:47:40,299
nothing going on about UFOs let's just

1027
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:42,309
put it all aside they're not landing and

1028
00:47:48,329 --> 00:47:45,249
and having some kind of interactions

1029
00:47:50,789 --> 00:47:48,339
with people to just say things like that

1030
00:47:54,959 --> 00:47:50,799
outright I think it's a bad idea

1031
00:47:58,140 --> 00:47:54,969
and I'm also not saying that that all of

1032
00:48:00,989 --> 00:47:58,150
these stories are correct I think though

1033
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:00,999
the whole UFO issue is is so like I said

1034
00:48:04,109 --> 00:48:02,650
it's more complex we need more

1035
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,119
scientists to take a more open-minded

1036
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:05,440
look at it

1037
00:48:11,579 --> 00:48:07,930
and by the way I'm not a conspiracy

1038
00:48:14,609 --> 00:48:11,589
theorist and I've been called that but I

1039
00:48:17,999 --> 00:48:14,619
do happen to think that governments of

1040
00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:18,009
the world know more about this UFO thing

1041
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:20,140
then they've told and they that they

1042
00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:22,690
most likely probably feel that it's

1043
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:25,960
easier not to admit to the public

1044
00:48:31,769 --> 00:48:28,900
certain aspects of UFOs that are really

1045
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:31,779
complex and I only have that opinion

1046
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:34,660
from many interviews that I've done and

1047
00:48:37,259 --> 00:48:35,890
that you guys have probably done the

1048
00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:37,269
same kind of interviews when you talk to

1049
00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:39,640
people who are high up in different

1050
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:43,180
countries and they say in these heads of

1051
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:45,430
states or experts or scientists or

1052
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:47,529
military people who have chased these

1053
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:50,440
things and if said look there's

1054
00:48:55,049 --> 00:48:52,630
something operating in our skies we're

1055
00:48:55,830 --> 00:48:55,059
not saying it's alien but we are saying

1056
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:55,840
that there's

1057
00:49:00,990 --> 00:48:59,050
something there and whatever it is we

1058
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:01,000
should kind of learn more about this

1059
00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:03,400
whatever it turns out to be and that's

1060
00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:06,460
that's pretty much my stance on it now I

1061
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:09,160
never these days I never say that I

1062
00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:11,650
think it's aliens or extra dimensionals

1063
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,560
all I say is there is something going on

1064
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:17,440
and it's not people just hallucinating

1065
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:19,180
or making this stuff up

1066
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:23,340
but why break up Lee why break up and

1067
00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:25,930
divide and conquer the UFO community

1068
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:29,860
what what what is gained from that what

1069
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:33,000
to what I mean what's the goal i I think

1070
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:36,640
if I write that the governments of the

1071
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,530
world know more than they're talking

1072
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:40,960
about and I think this is this is safe

1073
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:44,230
to assume uh they they wouldn't want the

1074
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:45,850
public to know everything and so it

1075
00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:48,850
wouldn't surprise me that there are

1076
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:50,830
programs out there this information

1077
00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:54,070
programs Nick Pope told me this story

1078
00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:55,840
years ago he said when he was still

1079
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:59,260
working the UFO office of the Ministry

1080
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:02,220
of Defense in the UK he was told

1081
00:50:08,310 --> 00:50:06,250
specifically to talk down UFO reports as

1082
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:08,320
they came in and he said we did this

1083
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:10,090
thing called spin and dirty tricks to

1084
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:12,100
the public I said what is that

1085
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:13,810
so what that meant that when a UFO

1086
00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:16,420
report came in I had to go and I had to

1087
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:19,000
make sure that the public felt that it

1088
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:20,470
was just something that was a plane it

1089
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:23,500
was a planet Venus we deliberately put

1090
00:50:29,310 --> 00:50:27,130
out disinformation because we didn't

1091
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:29,320
know really what was going on in the

1092
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:32,980
skies it was operating clearly free at

1093
00:50:37,590 --> 00:50:35,230
will and we couldn't stop it so I think

1094
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:37,600
that's a big part of this jimmy is that

1095
00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:40,210
the government's may just simply not

1096
00:50:43,890 --> 00:50:42,460
know everything and they don't want to

1097
00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:43,900
give the impression that they don't know

1098
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:46,420
everything to the public interesting

1099
00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:50,460
Michael why why why divide and conquer

1100
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:53,230
the UFO community even if it's an

1101
00:50:59,580 --> 00:50:56,800
individual that is attempting to to

1102
00:51:01,560 --> 00:50:59,590
spread disinformation and and get

1103
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:01,570
everybody yelling and fighting amongst

1104
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:02,980
each other why do that

1105
00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:06,040
I think it's fundamental ok to humans

1106
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:08,380
that ego typically drives us I mean some

1107
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:09,310
of us can

1108
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:11,140
over time to temper that but I think

1109
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:13,030
everyone wants to feel that they are

1110
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:14,890
important or that they are loved you

1111
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:17,050
know or that they are in some way

1112
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:19,390
meaningful and in either their their

1113
00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:21,130
personal sphere you know their little

1114
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:22,660
group of friends or in a broader

1115
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:24,130
community like this one or any other

1116
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:25,930
kind of a community I think it's just

1117
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:28,390
fundamentally human unless you're again

1118
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:30,430
one of those rare exceptions or perhaps

1119
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:33,310
someone who's psychopathic these are the

1120
00:51:35,610 --> 00:51:34,450
ways that you're going to try to relate

1121
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:35,620
to people you want to be able to feel

1122
00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:36,850
important and you want to feel

1123
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:38,500
meaningful to somebody loved or whatever

1124
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:40,930
else in the UFO community unfortunately

1125
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:43,090
that desire I think to feel like you are

1126
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:45,370
in the nor that you are on the cusp of

1127
00:51:49,590 --> 00:51:47,650
knowledge that you're you know the most

1128
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:49,600
dedicated and devoted researcher or the

1129
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:51,010
most knowledgeable researcher that you

1130
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:52,210
put in the years and that you have

1131
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:54,250
learned the most over time all these

1132
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:55,630
kind of things I think manifests

1133
00:51:59,220 --> 00:51:57,130
similarly and I think that there are

1134
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,230
many people with due respect to my

1135
00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:00,640
colleagues many of whom I'm very good

1136
00:52:04,110 --> 00:52:02,320
friends with but I mean I see a lot of

1137
00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:04,120
us doing then perhaps I'm guilty of it

1138
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:05,980
too in fact I'm sure I am that at times

1139
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,710
there is a bit of this rat race and this

1140
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:11,200
desire to want to be on top of things to

1141
00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:12,760
have that kind of knowledge I know

1142
00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:14,740
something that you don't know the truth

1143
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:17,140
is again coming back but again to my

1144
00:52:22,350 --> 00:52:19,690
good belly here is talking about over

1145
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:22,360
time I've learned like he says not to

1146
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:24,250
try and make definitive statements about

1147
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:26,260
this phenomena which frustrates people

1148
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:28,120
including skeptics because they say well

1149
00:52:31,890 --> 00:52:29,890
Hanks doesn't seem to know what he

1150
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:31,900
believes it's not about not knowing what

1151
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:33,310
you believe it's about abstaining from

1152
00:52:38,820 --> 00:52:36,250
judgment in the absence of really

1153
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:38,830
reliable data you know that is a problem

1154
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:41,620
that we have I had a um an essay that I

1155
00:52:46,350 --> 00:52:44,280
contributed to recently for a for a

1156
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:46,360
anthology called UFOs reframing the

1157
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:48,850
debate and there had been a very polite

1158
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:50,770
skeptic and I appreciate him for his

1159
00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:52,500
candor and he had written a review of

1160
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:54,460
several of the essays including my own

1161
00:52:58,530 --> 00:52:56,290
and although he and I kind of disagreed

1162
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,540
on what I consider an evangelical

1163
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:00,640
attitude about the supremacy of science

1164
00:53:04,170 --> 00:53:02,530
I can feel that way and I can believe

1165
00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:04,180
that science is the most important thing

1166
00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:06,070
- one thing he said I really agree with

1167
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:08,080
thanks about is there are members of the

1168
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,550
skeptical community who act more as

1169
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:11,200
debunkers than really look at the

1170
00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:13,450
evidence and he said of me that you know

1171
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:15,220
mike is right about that that does need

1172
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,450
to change and I think it does because

1173
00:53:20,490 --> 00:53:18,400
even while we've got with the UFO

1174
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:20,500
community people who think that they

1175
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:21,910
know everything on the other side -

1176
00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:22,990
we've got people in the

1177
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:24,520
skeptical community whoo without

1178
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:26,980
actually having reviewed what evidence

1179
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:29,500
we do have they also have made up their

1180
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:30,850
minds and think they know everything and

1181
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:32,170
they think that everything is nothing

1182
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:34,090
that there's nothing to UFOs end of the

1183
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:35,890
debate if we can find some common ground

1184
00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:38,740
and put the egos aside and really admit

1185
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:40,660
how little we do know and I think

1186
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:42,310
speaking more general terms that hey we

1187
00:53:45,420 --> 00:53:43,930
can all agree that there is a phenomena

1188
00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:45,430
in that instance in that kind of

1189
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:48,280
circumstance general is good because it

1190
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:50,230
will allow us to abstain from judgment

1191
00:53:54,359 --> 00:53:52,270
and thereby not allow the biases and

1192
00:53:56,580 --> 00:53:54,369
such to flood in and the preconceived

1193
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,590
notions and we may be able to actually

1194
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,000
move forward and study whatever this

1195
00:54:02,640 --> 00:53:59,920
phenomena turns out to be yeah it's uh

1196
00:54:04,830 --> 00:54:02,650
oh very good let me just add one quickly

1197
00:54:07,830 --> 00:54:04,840
I agree with what Michael just said in

1198
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:07,840
every lecture that nuclear physicist

1199
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:09,970
Stan Friedman gives and we all know who

1200
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:13,960
Stan Freeman is he always says that the

1201
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:16,570
debunkers and the hardcore skeptics have

1202
00:54:21,810 --> 00:54:18,850
a mantra it's a very special mantra and

1203
00:54:23,820 --> 00:54:21,820
here's their mantra don't bother me with

1204
00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:23,830
the evidence my mind is already made up

1205
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:26,830
right 100% yeah their answer is always

1206
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:33,040
no oh that is a they just know you know

1207
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:35,740
in defense of certain skeptics and I'll

1208
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:37,330
maybe call myself a skeptic here in that

1209
00:54:40,530 --> 00:54:39,250
sense that's not always what they say

1210
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:40,540
it's just that I think that the majority

1211
00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:43,690
of those who fall into the social group

1212
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:45,880
or the social movement that identifies

1213
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:47,770
as modern skepticism tend to act that

1214
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:48,910
way and I think that's because it's

1215
00:54:53,099 --> 00:54:51,760
expected of them there are a few bright

1216
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:53,109
shining lights out there too who are

1217
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:55,990
willing to like I've said abstain from

1218
00:55:00,990 --> 00:54:58,210
judgment on things in the absence of

1219
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:01,000
reliable evidence which may conclusively

1220
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:02,890
tell us you know for or against or

1221
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:04,570
definitively what we may be dealing with

1222
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:07,540
look again my personal opinion is there

1223
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:09,369
is a phenomenon I think there's plenty

1224
00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:10,900
of evidence that there is a phenomena

1225
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:12,580
but I think the problem is as too many

1226
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:14,170
people have made up their minds about

1227
00:55:17,970 --> 00:55:16,090
what that is or is not yet we really

1228
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:17,980
don't know and if we did I don't think

1229
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:19,000
what are you having this kind of

1230
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:21,010
discussion right right right right yeah

1231
00:55:28,349 --> 00:55:24,550
I agree yeah hey Hayley we've got two

1232
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:28,359
minutes so just a nice quick answer to a

1233
00:55:36,099 --> 00:55:31,540
very direct question because it has the

1234
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:36,109
UFO community today been infiltrated

1235
00:55:45,140 --> 00:55:39,630
give me my government source or an ET

1236
00:55:49,370 --> 00:55:45,150
source know by disinfo oh I I wouldn't

1237
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:49,380
be surprised yeah and in fact when I was

1238
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:51,810
talking about Nick Pope before and and

1239
00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:53,970
he said to me one of the things that he

1240
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:57,390
was told to do was to go specifically to

1241
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:00,540
UFO conferences and to spread

1242
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:03,450
disinformation this was this is part of

1243
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:06,330
his agenda and so that was years ago so

1244
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,160
I can totally see how the UFO conference

1245
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:13,619
organizers wouldn't know if this

1246
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:15,630
information is being spread it's like

1247
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,790
it's like it's very very sublime thing

1248
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:19,800
people can go and just start talking and

1249
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,869
just start spreading stories and it then

1250
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:24,000
it just starts to pick up some steam and

1251
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:26,010
pretty much everybody's talking sure I I

1252
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:28,530
think that that there is infiltration

1253
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:29,369
why not

1254
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:32,040
there you go Micah I'll let you have the

1255
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:34,020
parting comment you've got 60 seconds

1256
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:36,780
has the UFO community been infiltrated

1257
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:40,260
today well there might be historical

1258
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:42,180
precedent for that again you know I try

1259
00:56:45,380 --> 00:56:44,130
to be careful about leaping to the idea

1260
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,390
that well you know they're among us

1261
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:47,040
they're listening but what I can tell

1262
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,570
you is if we look at things like for

1263
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:50,160
instance Greg books I'm sorry Greg

1264
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:52,260
bishops fabulous book project beta

1265
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:54,210
there's definitely historical precedent

1266
00:56:58,849 --> 00:56:56,070
or aspects of the community being

1267
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:58,859
controlled from outside and yes this has

1268
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,900
involved US intelligence agencies now

1269
00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:01,920
again you know we don't have to put on

1270
00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,430
the tinfoil hat and say what really

1271
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:06,540
conspiracy time no you know I think

1272
00:57:09,380 --> 00:57:08,010
again we have to look at what there is

1273
00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:09,390
evidence for and there is historical

1274
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,590
precedent for that whether it's

1275
00:57:13,580 --> 00:57:12,180
happening right now I couldn't tell you

1276
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:13,590
but we know it has happened I think it's

1277
00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:14,850
the kind of thing to keep an eye out for

1278
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:16,920
I want to thank the both of you for

1279
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:18,810
kicking off this very important show

1280
00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:21,960
tonight keep doing what you're doing Lee

1281
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:23,820
Spiegel from the Huffington Post and

1282
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:25,800
from the Grayling report the one and

1283
00:57:30,350 --> 00:57:27,900
only Micah Hanks thank you two gentlemen

1284
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:30,360
and we'll speak soon

1285
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:33,910
this is fade to black this is our UFO

1286
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:37,510
community Roundtable coming up next race

1287
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:40,990
Hobbs and John Burroughs like I said

1288
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:42,910
buckle up kiddies is going to be a good

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one I'll be right back

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it's just a hundred and twenty nine

1348
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:42,579
bucks and use the promo code

1349
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:46,720
Jinxy rtw us and you'll also get free

1350
01:00:51,930 --> 01:00:49,450
shipping it's simple just go to Jimmy

1351
01:00:57,329 --> 01:00:51,940
Church radio.com click on the studio

1352
01:00:59,249 --> 01:00:57,339
dome banner gobekli tepe this is Micah

1353
01:01:00,960 --> 01:00:59,259
Hank's to the graylien report and you're

1354
01:01:02,579 --> 01:01:00,970
listening to Jimmy church on fade to

1355
01:01:04,650 --> 01:01:02,589
black across the globe on the

1356
01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:04,660
GameChanger radio network and the one

1357
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:07,660
and only kgr a radio the planet

1358
01:01:31,340 --> 01:01:27,800
[Music]

1359
01:01:35,810 --> 01:01:31,350
all right welcome back fade to black

1360
01:01:38,790 --> 01:01:35,820
tonight is our UFO community roundtable

1361
01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:38,800
we just had Lee Spiegel of Michael Hanks

1362
01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:41,590
next up race hobbs and john burroughs a

1363
01:01:44,970 --> 01:01:43,720
little bit later on Mike Baer and John

1364
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,980
D'Souza are going to be here Steve

1365
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:47,200
Murillo Tom Dan Heiser from coast to

1366
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:50,170
coast am Jan hars an and Peter Davenport

1367
01:01:57,030 --> 01:01:53,230
are going to be here and like I said

1368
01:02:01,530 --> 01:01:57,040
next up is race hobbs the general

1369
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:01,540
manager of kgr a the planet and john

1370
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:03,490
burroughs and john i'm gonna say hello

1371
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:05,400
to you first because i was calling you

1372
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:08,950
witness to Rendlesham it's kind of

1373
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:11,050
sounds got a cool good evening John how

1374
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,270
are you good Jimmy how are you doing

1375
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,240
it's it's one of those nights and I want

1376
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:17,680
to thank you for participating and

1377
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,770
jumping in on this and racy hobbs race

1378
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:23,200
how are you tonight sir doing good Jimmy

1379
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:25,210
thanks for having me okay let's start

1380
01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:27,310
off here because we've only got to about

1381
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:30,340
25 minutes with the two of you it's

1382
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:31,330
crazy

1383
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:35,380
three weeks in ufology in this community

1384
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:37,090
things have been completely tipped

1385
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,090
upside down race I'm going to give you

1386
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:42,240
the platform first have you been

1387
01:02:47,849 --> 01:02:44,710
involved with not only MUFON but the

1388
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:47,859
community in general conferences you've

1389
01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:51,280
been running a network you you've you've

1390
01:02:57,450 --> 01:02:53,320
been part of that have you ever seen

1391
01:03:01,200 --> 01:02:57,460
anything this crazy before hmm

1392
01:03:03,690 --> 01:03:01,210
well first of all I want to say that it

1393
01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:03,700
is absolutely difficult on the highest

1394
01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:07,030
level to follow the astounding Leif

1395
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:09,880
Spiegel and the intrepid Mike Hanks

1396
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:12,880
there those two guys two of my favorite

1397
01:03:17,609 --> 01:03:15,220
people in ufology and I agree with

1398
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:17,619
everything they just said but to get to

1399
01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:20,130
your question and I love you both guys

1400
01:03:25,770 --> 01:03:23,080
once I got active into research into

1401
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:25,780
UFOs the first thing I remember that had

1402
01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:29,050
the community splintered was the mj-12

1403
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:31,420
discovery by morons and right right and

1404
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:34,150
it was truly very very controversial at

1405
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:36,490
the time and even still to this day and

1406
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:37,980
you know in fact

1407
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:40,260
there have been new documents just you

1408
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:42,210
know released to the public you know in

1409
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:46,650
in that same mj-12 vein that have

1410
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,220
reignited it ii was probably the John

1411
01:03:55,730 --> 01:03:52,640
Lear hypothesis and you know and that

1412
01:03:57,590 --> 01:03:55,740
sort of led to me you know having a

1413
01:03:59,900 --> 01:03:57,600
piqued interest in the you know the

1414
01:04:03,920 --> 01:03:59,910
Christmas 1980 Bentwaters UFO case upon

1415
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:03,930
which John burrows here was at the right

1416
01:04:09,590 --> 01:04:06,960
in the crosshairs in the center of it

1417
01:04:12,590 --> 01:04:09,600
still to this day after it broke you

1418
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:12,600
know in the early mid 80s it's still one

1419
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:17,250
of the most divisive cases in the social

1420
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:20,790
sphere of ufology a lot of folks Jimmy

1421
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:22,920
they think the UFO field is really

1422
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:24,510
concerned with aliens and flying saucers

1423
01:04:29,810 --> 01:04:27,690
but they couldn't be more wrong to be

1424
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:29,820
honest would you talk about cattle

1425
01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:31,890
mutilations and abductions and stealing

1426
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:33,980
of human fetuses and Moon and Mars

1427
01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:37,680
explorations AB natural you know NASA

1428
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:39,240
and you know the International Space

1429
01:04:44,090 --> 01:04:42,510
Station remote viewing and even 9/11 are

1430
01:04:46,310 --> 01:04:44,100
all you know research subjects

1431
01:04:50,030 --> 01:04:46,320
surrounding the UFO field and and to be

1432
01:04:52,340 --> 01:04:50,040
honest it just you know it seems to have

1433
01:04:55,820 --> 01:04:52,350
factions on both sides that are very

1434
01:04:59,150 --> 01:04:55,830
opinionated now my observations really

1435
01:05:00,980 --> 01:04:59,160
have convinced me that the divisive

1436
01:05:03,590 --> 01:05:00,990
nature being expressed in the UFO

1437
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:03,600
community today is just a small

1438
01:05:10,820 --> 01:05:08,400
percentage of an effect or some may say

1439
01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:10,830
you know it's a small percentage in the

1440
01:05:17,950 --> 01:05:14,550
UFO community based on comparison to

1441
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:17,960
more of a national stage or a worldwide

1442
01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:21,810
stage in the social media degradation

1443
01:05:26,570 --> 01:05:23,640
effect I'll kind of call it like the

1444
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:26,580
slag effect because it's like a massive

1445
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:29,520
melting pot of opinions expressed on a

1446
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:32,880
worldwide platform and to be honest

1447
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:35,730
Jimmy when you consider the source of a

1448
01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:38,220
lot of this you know this negativity

1449
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:40,350
that I called the detractors side of the

1450
01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:43,859
social sphere it's really driven by me

1451
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:47,430
on a mainstream level by the media and

1452
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:49,650
you know and when you consider the

1453
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:50,210
source

1454
01:05:58,930 --> 01:05:56,450
negative information most of it is

1455
01:06:03,220 --> 01:05:58,940
personally driven in my opinion and

1456
01:06:06,609 --> 01:06:03,230
that's based off of my you know sort of

1457
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:06,619
behind the scenes you know insider kind

1458
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:10,010
of aspect and position producing

1459
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:12,410
thousands of hours of radio with every

1460
01:06:16,570 --> 01:06:14,450
name you can imagine and every player

1461
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:16,580
you can imagine at every level you can

1462
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:19,760
imagine in ufology but this is just a

1463
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:23,710
bleed over from a much more worldwide

1464
01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:27,530
phenomenon going on in you know in the

1465
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:30,680
social sphere in the news and driven by

1466
01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:33,710
mainstream media and you know what it's

1467
01:06:42,790 --> 01:06:38,990
going to take to to resolve it is a

1468
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:42,800
whole lot of maturity in the populations

1469
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:46,880
of the world in a real hurry why why

1470
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:48,410
race and you've been seeing this going

1471
01:06:52,270 --> 01:06:50,150
on for a long time and you know I've had

1472
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:52,280
a lot of lengthy conversations on the

1473
01:07:01,930 --> 01:06:58,160
subject why do certain individuals do

1474
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:01,940
these personal attacks and accusations

1475
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:07,520
and outright lies and then you have when

1476
01:07:14,620 --> 01:07:11,570
you today it seems that we have multiple

1477
01:07:17,950 --> 01:07:14,630
individuals that have come unhinged that

1478
01:07:20,410 --> 01:07:17,960
aren't connected to each other in any

1479
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:20,420
way attacking different people and

1480
01:07:26,430 --> 01:07:24,410
organizations all at the same time what

1481
01:07:30,940 --> 01:07:26,440
how do you explain that

1482
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:30,950
well there's a lot of this stuff people

1483
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:32,690
out there you know really got it the

1484
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:36,290
only way I can put it a lot of it really

1485
01:07:43,180 --> 01:07:40,430
comes from in my opinion what I see and

1486
01:07:44,650 --> 01:07:43,190
again my head is down most of the time

1487
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:44,660
doing the work so I'm not really

1488
01:07:49,930 --> 01:07:47,510
involved in it a lot but just like you

1489
01:07:52,329 --> 01:07:49,940
mentioned earlier it just seems like all

1490
01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:52,339
of this has befallen the UFO community

1491
01:07:57,700 --> 01:07:55,430
as of late these these groups these

1492
01:08:00,640 --> 01:07:57,710
factions that have come together to you

1493
01:08:01,540 --> 01:08:00,650
know they claim to be trying to unite

1494
01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:01,550
you follow

1495
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:04,280
and to build ufology up and bring it

1496
01:08:08,350 --> 01:08:06,770
together and they seem to be the ones

1497
01:08:14,910 --> 01:08:08,360
that are spewing the most divisive

1498
01:08:18,970 --> 01:08:14,920
rhetoric and pushing a negative agenda

1499
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:18,980
stronger and and and I'm not so sure you

1500
01:08:23,019 --> 01:08:21,440
know how effective it is but it you know

1501
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:23,029
it has us talking about it here tonight

1502
01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:27,560
I John certainly with you and welcome to

1503
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:28,940
the show John it's always good to hear

1504
01:08:33,780 --> 01:08:31,970
your voice as you know but you have been

1505
01:08:39,010 --> 01:08:33,790
at this now we were talking about this

1506
01:08:43,210 --> 01:08:39,020
37 years right 37 years and over that

1507
01:08:45,460 --> 01:08:43,220
time you have seen a personal attacks on

1508
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:45,470
you and other individuals in your in

1509
01:08:51,970 --> 01:08:49,250
your circle come and go how have you

1510
01:08:56,620 --> 01:08:51,980
fought that and and what have you done

1511
01:08:59,920 --> 01:08:56,630
personally about it well to me I just

1512
01:09:03,039 --> 01:08:59,930
stuck with what happened to us and tried

1513
01:09:04,990 --> 01:09:03,049
to take a closer look at the evidence

1514
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:05,000
behind the case what we could have

1515
01:09:09,010 --> 01:09:06,170
experienced what we could have been

1516
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,020
exposed to and move forward in that

1517
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:12,319
aspect um and not try to make anything

1518
01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:15,830
sensational and I think what your first

1519
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:17,540
suggestion will race and what your

1520
01:09:21,670 --> 01:09:19,510
question is is that there's too much

1521
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,680
sensationalism in this there's too much

1522
01:09:26,050 --> 01:09:23,600
entertainment there's not enough

1523
01:09:28,539 --> 01:09:26,060
hardcore data and what I mean by

1524
01:09:30,849 --> 01:09:28,549
hardcore data there's plenty of data out

1525
01:09:33,460 --> 01:09:30,859
there but there's not any enough

1526
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:33,470
hardcore data to X 0 and on what's going

1527
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:33,920
on

1528
01:09:41,140 --> 01:09:36,319
so it's really easy for this to take

1529
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,150
place and ultimately I feel if you get

1530
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,279
down to the nuts of both of it they're

1531
01:09:47,710 --> 01:09:45,440
not worried about the fringes and I call

1532
01:09:49,750 --> 01:09:47,720
the fringes the believers the people

1533
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:49,760
would have done more research or notice

1534
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:51,170
something's going on or the skeptics

1535
01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:52,640
they're going to try to control the

1536
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:56,150
middle group of people and what happens

1537
01:10:01,360 --> 01:09:58,730
is too many people get out there and are

1538
01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:01,370
too sensational or make this too much of

1539
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:03,470
an entertainment or put stuff out there

1540
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:06,470
that just is not believable or can't be

1541
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,530
confirmed and what it leads to is simply

1542
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:11,600
the fact that this is the mess we're in

1543
01:10:16,660 --> 01:10:15,260
and until we get some hardcore

1544
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:16,670
it's one of them buy that is whether

1545
01:10:20,140 --> 01:10:18,050
there's something defended whether it's

1546
01:10:22,150 --> 01:10:20,150
announcement from scientists from the

1547
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:22,160
government or whatever else this is just

1548
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:23,630
the way things are going to continue and

1549
01:10:27,670 --> 01:10:25,370
how have you dealt with it though

1550
01:10:31,690 --> 01:10:27,680
because certainly you've had people come

1551
01:10:34,570 --> 01:10:31,700
at you and for great lengths of time

1552
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:34,580
nearly a daily basis you know do you

1553
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:37,520
just ignore it and and and how do you

1554
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:40,489
deal with it well I do my best thing

1555
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:42,650
more and a lot of it I just laugh at but

1556
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:45,290
but I mean I try to ignore it because I

1557
01:10:49,150 --> 01:10:47,330
don't consider myself a mainstream

1558
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:49,160
researcher somebody out there on the

1559
01:10:54,700 --> 01:10:52,430
circuit you know and and so my boat

1560
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,710
basic goal is to do as much as I can

1561
01:10:59,260 --> 01:10:56,960
with our case which is still there's a

1562
01:11:01,420 --> 01:10:59,270
lot to be done but alternately you just

1563
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:01,430
have to stick to what you what you know

1564
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,370
is right and you have to be honest with

1565
01:11:07,570 --> 01:11:06,320
what you have and one of the other

1566
01:11:09,729 --> 01:11:07,580
things is brought up earlier is

1567
01:11:12,910 --> 01:11:09,739
everybody's trying to hold back evidence

1568
01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:12,920
and be the one to take the case and I'm

1569
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:14,900
sorry but there's not going to be any

1570
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:17,690
one person break this case until the

1571
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,270
government somebody either science or

1572
01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:22,400
the government comes out with some kind

1573
01:11:26,410 --> 01:11:24,590
of announcement or we get some kind of

1574
01:11:28,780 --> 01:11:26,420
event that happens it's filmed and they

1575
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,790
just know I reckon I did yeah grace and

1576
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:30,800
I were talking about that just one of

1577
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:32,450
those that today or yesterday race that

1578
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:37,730
exact subject um when when I hear and

1579
01:11:40,510 --> 01:11:39,260
I'm going to throw this out to both of

1580
01:11:44,530 --> 01:11:40,520
you because it seems like we're talking

1581
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:44,540
about evidence right now so much today I

1582
01:11:50,170 --> 01:11:48,560
see this response coming back we need

1583
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:50,180
evidence we need evidence we need

1584
01:11:58,540 --> 01:11:54,400
evidence and and when when I see that my

1585
01:12:00,490 --> 01:11:58,550
response is what you are saying then

1586
01:12:04,620 --> 01:12:00,500
that everybody that has ever seen

1587
01:12:06,910 --> 01:12:04,630
anything in the sky every contact every

1588
01:12:10,420 --> 01:12:06,920
strange thing in somebody's bedroom

1589
01:12:14,650 --> 01:12:10,430
every flit at whatever it may be that

1590
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:14,660
was in a book in a in a in a documentary

1591
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:18,610
that you are demanding from everybody

1592
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:22,730
evidence and so you're discounting or

1593
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,130
calling everybody else's had experience

1594
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:28,000
including me a liar

1595
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,430
and you there are millions of people out

1596
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:32,800
there that resonate and connect with not

1597
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:36,210
only Rendlesham but things in the sky or

1598
01:12:41,130 --> 01:12:38,890
little gray beings in their front yard

1599
01:12:43,380 --> 01:12:41,140
they they have seen these things and

1600
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:43,390
they they resonate with that and you

1601
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:46,270
can't call millions of people liars so

1602
01:12:52,890 --> 01:12:49,600
what is the evidence that these negative

1603
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:52,900
people out there want one out of all of

1604
01:12:59,310 --> 01:12:54,970
these other thousands of thousands of

1605
01:13:03,270 --> 01:12:59,320
individuals hmm John you only take that

1606
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:03,280
first virus well to be quite honest with

1607
01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:04,900
you Jimmy I don't know that that's gonna

1608
01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:06,340
that's the answer that that's going to

1609
01:13:11,340 --> 01:13:08,590
hush these what I call detractors up

1610
01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:11,350
because there is evidence out there now

1611
01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:16,030
you know this is something takes me back

1612
01:13:20,610 --> 01:13:17,980
to something that you know that that

1613
01:13:23,550 --> 01:13:20,620
likely Spiegel said about nobody shares

1614
01:13:25,230 --> 01:13:23,560
anything and you know it then it brings

1615
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:25,240
you to the issue of who do you trust

1616
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:28,930
Jimmy right mm-hm and there are a lot of

1617
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:31,780
people out there with agendas we'd like

1618
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:33,610
I just mentioned some our personal

1619
01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:35,290
summer for personal popularity and

1620
01:13:40,710 --> 01:13:38,500
believe me I've found those and come

1621
01:13:42,810 --> 01:13:40,720
across those some are actually

1622
01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:42,820
disinformation agents and they we all

1623
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:44,260
know they're they're just like Lee

1624
01:13:50,670 --> 01:13:49,210
mentioned in his segment but most are

1625
01:13:52,590 --> 01:13:50,680
really in my opinion armchair

1626
01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:52,600
researchers just blowing a lot of stinky

1627
01:13:59,070 --> 01:13:55,870
gas so I keep my trusted colleagues and

1628
01:14:00,960 --> 01:13:59,080
people close to me and we do share and

1629
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:00,970
John Burroughs is one of those Jimmy

1630
01:14:05,310 --> 01:14:02,710
you're one of those Lee Spiegel and

1631
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:05,320
Micah Hanks are those chased let's key

1632
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:09,630
is one of my biggest and most trusted

1633
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:12,580
you know people in all of this work

1634
01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:15,850
we're doing and you know to to to and I

1635
01:14:20,820 --> 01:14:17,500
kind of call it a click and I've been

1636
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:20,830
I've been I've been criticized for

1637
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:23,170
calling it a click but I'm proud to call

1638
01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:25,690
it a click because most of the people

1639
01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:28,060
who are doing the real work and who are

1640
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:31,030
closer to the real answers are not in

1641
01:14:33,959 --> 01:14:32,890
the social sphere they're not in the

1642
01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:33,969
public

1643
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:36,550
quite honestly to just avoid exactly

1644
01:14:41,939 --> 01:14:39,070
what we're talking about here but I

1645
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:41,949
expressed this opinion for the first

1646
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:45,790
time publicly tonight I'm convinced that

1647
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:49,260
we're in what I'm calling the shift

1648
01:14:55,260 --> 01:14:52,449
we're in a completely new paradigm here

1649
01:15:01,229 --> 01:14:55,270
that ufology has never seen before and

1650
01:15:04,290 --> 01:15:01,239
by that I mean in the old days they'll

1651
01:15:07,229 --> 01:15:04,300
call button in the old days you know you

1652
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:07,239
had to come with empirical scientific

1653
01:15:12,540 --> 01:15:10,000
empirical evidence or just keep your

1654
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:12,550
mouth shut because the coop factor was

1655
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:15,760
so well ingrained in society that people

1656
01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:18,910
avoided the UFO subject like to play so

1657
01:15:24,090 --> 01:15:21,340
our founders and forefathers the Donald

1658
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:24,100
keyholes and and the bill pits and and

1659
01:15:29,939 --> 01:15:27,460
and duty for nays and all of those men

1660
01:15:31,890 --> 01:15:29,949
the day that we're doing the work the

1661
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:31,900
groundwork and my fieldwork and

1662
01:15:36,959 --> 01:15:35,530
gathering documents even you know

1663
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:36,969
Stanton Friedman we mentioned in the

1664
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:39,670
earlier segment you know these guys had

1665
01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:43,120
to come with it or you were ridiculed

1666
01:15:50,459 --> 01:15:46,390
and you were squashed out right away I

1667
01:15:54,209 --> 01:15:50,469
mean you were today people go on the the

1668
01:15:56,910 --> 01:15:54,219
biggest you know radio shows across the

1669
01:16:00,240 --> 01:15:56,920
country and have literally done nothing

1670
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:00,250
in ufology and somehow they're on the

1671
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,010
main stage of these conferences main

1672
01:16:09,650 --> 01:16:04,960
stage of the biggest conferences in the

1673
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:09,660
world and literally have done nothing

1674
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:14,770
not a thing to deserve to be where they

1675
01:16:19,979 --> 01:16:17,710
are and the entertainment factor has

1676
01:16:22,260 --> 01:16:19,989
taken over the decision-making of a lot

1677
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:22,270
of the stuff that goes on in the public

1678
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:24,910
eye and this comes back to what I just

1679
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:28,210
called the shift the older generations

1680
01:16:33,170 --> 01:16:30,850
needed empirical proof the Millennials

1681
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:33,180
and the younger generations today don't

1682
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:36,480
they're born with the belief that

1683
01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:38,890
extraterrestrials are real that life

1684
01:16:43,650 --> 01:16:41,020
exists in the universe and abundance and

1685
01:16:46,110 --> 01:16:43,660
they are most likely here or have been

1686
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:46,120
here and they don't need convincing and

1687
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:47,280
I think

1688
01:16:55,580 --> 01:16:49,890
Jimmy that we're all caught up in this

1689
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:55,590
flux in this change where the older and

1690
01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:00,000
more empirical evidence based genre I

1691
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:04,440
mean I generations are in conflict with

1692
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:06,300
the younger generations more the

1693
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:08,130
transformational and the consciousness

1694
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:10,380
the folks who already believe it and

1695
01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:13,500
that already express themselves in a way

1696
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:17,430
with a complete lack of empirical

1697
01:17:23,630 --> 01:17:20,430
evidence to prove what they say and what

1698
01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:23,640
they believe and they're in there is the

1699
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:26,580
war there's the people who have no proof

1700
01:17:31,550 --> 01:17:29,970
whatsoever empirical proof or scientific

1701
01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:31,560
proof of what they're presenting and

1702
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:34,020
then there are those who demand it and

1703
01:17:39,470 --> 01:17:37,530
have some of it and they're at odds

1704
01:17:42,860 --> 01:17:39,480
they're banging heads and they're

1705
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:42,870
banging them hard and and I think that

1706
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:46,980
probably the confirmation over

1707
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:50,250
disclosure is going to win the day and I

1708
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:54,000
completely have come around to that way

1709
01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:57,480
of thinking because of my Maya Coe

1710
01:18:02,140 --> 01:17:59,640
guests here John burrows he has

1711
01:18:05,630 --> 01:18:02,150
influenced me greatly in the realm of um

1712
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,640
you know the idea that that confirmation

1713
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:07,920
is coming before a government will

1714
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:10,260
disclose it I really believe that that's

1715
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:12,690
going to be the case and so for those of

1716
01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:14,370
you in the transformational and the

1717
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:17,160
spiritual and the consciousness aspect

1718
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:19,590
of this stay your course and do your

1719
01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:20,400
thing

1720
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:23,640
don't let anybody influence you or make

1721
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:26,850
you feel lesser than or put you in a box

1722
01:18:32,290 --> 01:18:29,310
or in a corner and to those of you who

1723
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:32,300
demand empirical and scientific evidence

1724
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,080
don't let up either but do your thing

1725
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:39,360
where you are and in the in the circles

1726
01:18:45,010 --> 01:18:42,690
you do it in and everybody get off of

1727
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:45,020
each other's backs

1728
01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:48,570
because race Hobbs is making a personal

1729
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:49,590
change for those I'm gonna tell you

1730
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:51,450
something that's real quick I know John

1731
01:18:56,420 --> 01:18:53,730
come in I'm making a change because I've

1732
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:56,430
been guilty of like angry political

1733
01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:58,050
posting over the last year year and a

1734
01:19:00,990 --> 01:18:58,540
half

1735
01:19:02,850 --> 01:19:01,000
if you have I've made I've made comments

1736
01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:02,860
Jimmy that I'm not proud of it even some

1737
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:04,390
that I regret yes

1738
01:19:08,730 --> 01:19:07,510
but these days brother people are dying

1739
01:19:11,940 --> 01:19:08,740
over this mess

1740
01:19:14,730 --> 01:19:11,950
and hi for one and getting out of it I'm

1741
01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:14,740
passionate on the Patriot you know

1742
01:19:18,510 --> 01:19:16,870
presidents come and go but I don't like

1743
01:19:20,700 --> 01:19:18,520
but I get behind them because they're my

1744
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:20,710
commander-in-chief right and there's

1745
01:19:26,430 --> 01:19:24,730
been several of them in my lifetime but

1746
01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:26,440
you know it really contributes to the

1747
01:19:31,610 --> 01:19:29,350
overall hate level between those of us

1748
01:19:35,340 --> 01:19:31,620
with different political opinions

1749
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:35,350
socially and so on so again I'm grace

1750
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:36,970
Hobbs and making a change I'll go back

1751
01:19:41,490 --> 01:19:38,950
to something that my great-grandfather

1752
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,500
told me and all of our elders have told

1753
01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:43,840
all of us I'm sure if you can't say

1754
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:46,990
anything nice don't say that's exactly

1755
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:50,290
that that right there raised and when I

1756
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:52,090
talk about throwing rose petals on the

1757
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:54,400
floor of life right that's part of it

1758
01:19:58,530 --> 01:19:57,040
and this is the thing and and John I'm

1759
01:20:01,640 --> 01:19:58,540
going to pass this over to you this is

1760
01:20:04,890 --> 01:20:01,650
what's really important here if our

1761
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:04,900
community suddenly and it doesn't matter

1762
01:20:08,610 --> 01:20:06,670
what part of the community you are at

1763
01:20:11,010 --> 01:20:08,620
you could be a speaker at the top you

1764
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:11,020
could be a whistleblower you could be a

1765
01:20:14,490 --> 01:20:12,880
researcher you could be an author or you

1766
01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:14,500
could just be somebody that listens to

1767
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:18,070
this program but and calls into this

1768
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:21,970
program if suddenly that shift happened

1769
01:20:29,130 --> 01:20:27,010
where I was demanding from guests from

1770
01:20:31,890 --> 01:20:29,140
listeners from callers into this show

1771
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:31,900
before you call in and tell me that that

1772
01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:35,290
you had sex you know with three aliens

1773
01:20:41,250 --> 01:20:39,190
on a spaceship you know orbiting Jupiter

1774
01:20:43,170 --> 01:20:41,260
right you better bring the evidence

1775
01:20:46,110 --> 01:20:43,180
before you call in and tell us about

1776
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:46,120
that on the show and and and if I did

1777
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:49,810
that I got no callers if I did that I

1778
01:20:57,330 --> 01:20:53,350
have no guests if I did that I have no

1779
01:21:00,360 --> 01:20:57,340
audience this is a platform for all of

1780
01:21:03,330 --> 01:21:00,370
us no matter what you've got to say that

1781
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,340
you can say it and if you can't say it

1782
01:21:08,580 --> 01:21:05,920
here you can't say it anywhere and we

1783
01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:08,590
need to have that comfort level to know

1784
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:11,080
that no matter what it is that you want

1785
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:11,850
to share

1786
01:21:17,180 --> 01:21:14,610
you can do it here and I'm not going to

1787
01:21:20,450 --> 01:21:17,190
clamp you down and for people out there

1788
01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:20,460
to say a negative things about John

1789
01:21:25,820 --> 01:21:23,070
Burroughs or somebody else or you rate

1790
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:25,830
or and to clamp down suddenly we are

1791
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:28,020
part of the problem and now I am

1792
01:21:31,940 --> 01:21:31,140
censoring and that is wrong if you can't

1793
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:31,950
talk here

1794
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:34,350
you can't talk anywhere and your hair

1795
01:21:39,010 --> 01:21:37,620
and that that is it I will not hear from

1796
01:21:41,300 --> 01:21:39,020
anybody

1797
01:21:44,170 --> 01:21:41,310
just think about that I've had some

1798
01:21:47,420 --> 01:21:44,180
really really cool intimate

1799
01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:47,430
conversations with with the audience

1800
01:21:52,130 --> 01:21:50,340
members on this show why because they

1801
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:52,140
know that they can call up and listen

1802
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,840
and I that I'll listen and no matter

1803
01:21:58,430 --> 01:21:56,880
what it is let's hear about it because

1804
01:22:00,980 --> 01:21:58,440
somebody else out there is going to go

1805
01:22:03,170 --> 01:22:00,990
dude I had that same experience you know

1806
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:03,180
great and that's what this is about and

1807
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:04,560
I'm going to throw this over to John

1808
01:22:11,780 --> 01:22:08,850
John if you if you had felt that you

1809
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:11,790
were going to be pressured or or laughed

1810
01:22:17,690 --> 01:22:15,060
at or ridiculed from the word go would

1811
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:17,700
you have just stayed silent these last

1812
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:24,570
37 years well I mean I own was I was

1813
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:26,580
forced into having to talk about it when

1814
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:27,810
the document started getting at least

1815
01:22:33,740 --> 01:22:31,050
late I you know I it's hard to say I

1816
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:33,750
don't know what I can say is is that if

1817
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:36,450
you're if it comes on in this if you're

1818
01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:40,650
honest with what you know if you present

1819
01:22:45,470 --> 01:22:44,100
what you have and you let people have

1820
01:22:47,210 --> 01:22:45,480
the people have the right to make it

1821
01:22:49,190 --> 01:22:47,220
this is one way another and you try to

1822
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:49,200
stay within those parameters you're

1823
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:51,300
probably going to be okay but it's when

1824
01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:54,690
you try to top make it more sensational

1825
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:57,450
than it is or go go harder at things

1826
01:23:02,330 --> 01:22:59,100
that's when you start to get into

1827
01:23:04,130 --> 01:23:02,340
trouble and all I'm going to say is to

1828
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,140
me overall its

1829
01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:06,000
it I don't know what it was in the early

1830
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:07,830
days I wasn't involved with it but I can

1831
01:23:11,180 --> 01:23:09,330
tell you today this is more of an

1832
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:11,190
entertainment type of thing ufology is

1833
01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:15,570
and that at the end of the day it's

1834
01:23:20,810 --> 01:23:17,460
going someone's going to have to step up

1835
01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:20,820
and take charge of it and it'll probably

1836
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:23,430
happen when the government releases

1837
01:23:27,820 --> 01:23:25,610
something or science releases something

1838
01:23:30,340 --> 01:23:27,830
but there's one person out there that's

1839
01:23:33,729 --> 01:23:30,350
slowly doing this and any in the eyes

1840
01:23:36,970 --> 01:23:33,739
draws heat which can't dis discount a

1841
01:23:40,030 --> 01:23:36,980
Robert Bigelow but slowly but surely

1842
01:23:42,459 --> 01:23:40,040
with a lot of money his work along as a

1843
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:42,469
MUFON and all that stuff but he was the

1844
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:45,110
one that got on 60 minutes and he flat

1845
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:49,040
out said we're not alone and that's the

1846
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:51,530
man I think that the end of the day is

1847
01:23:56,590 --> 01:23:53,810
going to be if it's not coming from our

1848
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:56,600
government directly or from some science

1849
01:24:00,430 --> 01:23:58,250
organization he's going to be the one

1850
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:00,440
that's going to drive this yeah it's

1851
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:02,320
really interesting we were talking

1852
01:24:06,430 --> 01:24:03,920
historically I'm going to make this

1853
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:06,440
really quick because we're getting close

1854
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,530
to wrapping this up a lot of our

1855
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:11,360
listeners today they weren't around for

1856
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:13,730
like the alien autopsy video race you

1857
01:24:17,919 --> 01:24:15,770
almost touched upon that deaf thuds were

1858
01:24:23,109 --> 01:24:17,929
going to go there or the mj-12 documents

1859
01:24:26,859 --> 01:24:23,119
and and how how vicious that was on the

1860
01:24:29,859 --> 01:24:26,869
UFO community and and today we have we

1861
01:24:30,430 --> 01:24:29,869
have a whole race you hit this hot right

1862
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:30,440
on the head

1863
01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:34,400
we have a whole new generation of our

1864
01:24:39,060 --> 01:24:36,710
community here that absolutely

1865
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:39,070
empirically have without question

1866
01:24:44,109 --> 01:24:42,320
believes that we are not alone right and

1867
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:44,119
that that's that's where we are at today

1868
01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:47,360
and we have to listen to everybody and

1869
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:50,510
today John sent me those are the new

1870
01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:52,730
mj-12 documents I thank you John that's

1871
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:54,409
what I woke up to this morning

1872
01:25:01,500 --> 01:24:58,010
it's like this I'm like okay here we go

1873
01:25:04,359 --> 01:25:01,510
again and and I want them to be real I

1874
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,369
really really do but I don't know if

1875
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:07,040
even that for the skeptics out there if

1876
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:10,159
that is enough to push this over the

1877
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,650
edge you know I really really want

1878
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:14,719
something to happen but I don't need it

1879
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:16,850
because I've seen what I've seen in the

1880
01:25:22,810 --> 01:25:20,239
skies I've had my my experiences John

1881
01:25:25,419 --> 01:25:22,820
you've had your experience and Rendell's

1882
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:25,429
him and I think that you can safely say

1883
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:27,170
there's something strange going on here

1884
01:25:33,550 --> 01:25:30,369
race you have seen stuff in the skies is

1885
01:25:35,649 --> 01:25:33,560
anybody out there that is going to be

1886
01:25:39,620 --> 01:25:35,659
negative is is anybody going to change

1887
01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:39,630
either of your minds race I'll give that

1888
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:42,440
so you can just give me yes or no no

1889
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:45,450
John is anybody ever going to change

1890
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:47,310
your mind about what happened in

1891
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:51,030
Rendlesham with negativity no and that's

1892
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:51,930
my point

1893
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,110
negativity doesn't do any good the

1894
01:25:59,180 --> 01:25:57,120
people that have had their experience or

1895
01:26:02,500 --> 01:25:59,190
believe what they want to believe are

1896
01:26:05,210 --> 01:26:02,510
going to continue down that path

1897
01:26:07,130 --> 01:26:05,220
negativity and divide and conquer is it

1898
01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:07,140
going to change anybody's mind about

1899
01:26:12,650 --> 01:26:09,630
anything I want to thank both of you for

1900
01:26:15,530 --> 01:26:12,660
coming on tonight John and I'm going to

1901
01:26:17,810 --> 01:26:15,540
say this on behalf of Ray's my man you

1902
01:26:20,180 --> 01:26:17,820
have done this now for 37 years there's

1903
01:26:23,150 --> 01:26:20,190
no ending in sight please don't ever

1904
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,160
change and we just we need you John and

1905
01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:25,440
I want to say thank you I thank you sir

1906
01:26:31,340 --> 01:26:28,590
race parting comment you've got 60

1907
01:26:36,380 --> 01:26:33,260
when presidential candidates are talking

1908
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:36,390
about UFOs in a positive way I think

1909
01:26:43,390 --> 01:26:40,440
that is a huge signal that the world has

1910
01:26:45,980 --> 01:26:43,400
completely changed in regard to UFOs and

1911
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:45,990
as far as I'm concerned now Jimmy you

1912
01:26:49,460 --> 01:26:48,210
and I are both what is called the

1913
01:26:51,290 --> 01:26:49,470
entertainment industry

1914
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:51,300
we're in radio and talk radio this is

1915
01:26:57,260 --> 01:26:54,930
entertainment but we're going to present

1916
01:26:59,930 --> 01:26:57,270
platforms for people to be able to come

1917
01:27:02,870 --> 01:26:59,940
on express their ideas their experiences

1918
01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:02,880
their opinions and they're not going to

1919
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:04,260
be judged doing it we're going to keep

1920
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:05,850
taking the high road and we're going to

1921
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:07,530
keep delivering this information to the

1922
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:09,900
public who wants it and to those who

1923
01:27:13,190 --> 01:27:11,940
don't you can go anywhere you want to go

1924
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:13,200
and get whatever you want to get

1925
01:27:18,140 --> 01:27:15,330
wherever you want to go get it but at

1926
01:27:24,140 --> 01:27:18,150
the end of the day when extraterrestrial

1927
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:24,150
truth is made the truth worldwide we're

1928
01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:26,130
all going to know it and it won't be

1929
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:29,640
what we expect either that Thank You

1930
01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:32,100
Jimmy Thank You Ray's John Burroughs

1931
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:33,990
you're the best you guys have a great

1932
01:27:38,750 --> 01:27:35,490
safe rest of your evening

1933
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:38,760
this is fade to black it is our UFO

1934
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:40,650
community Roundtable we are discussing

1935
01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:43,920
has the UFO community and infiltrated

1936
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:45,420
this is fade to black our mural Timmy

1937
01:27:49,540 --> 01:27:47,610
Church of the game-changer network in K

1938
01:27:53,860 --> 01:27:49,550
GRA the planet

1939
01:28:02,650 --> 01:27:53,870
next author Mike Berra and John D'Souza

1940
01:28:05,410 --> 01:28:02,660
we'll be right back way out here we

1941
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:05,420
listen to Jimmy Church you're listening

1942
01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:09,110
to paint and black always on the edge of

1943
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:11,150
the hottest alternative talk chili

1944
01:28:20,860 --> 01:28:13,130
church with fade to black

1945
01:28:22,330 --> 01:28:20,870
KCRA radio.com Mario Gosselin

1946
01:28:23,890 --> 01:28:22,340
people don't you think it's a better

1947
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:23,900
case which every one of you Timmy's

1948
01:28:31,630 --> 01:28:30,260
charged do so I get out of the shower

1949
01:28:33,580 --> 01:28:31,640
this morning I'm looking in the mirror

1950
01:28:35,500 --> 01:28:33,590
and not to brag but my Beachbody is

1951
01:28:37,570 --> 01:28:35,510
coming back I'm not fearing shorts and

1952
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:37,580
bathing suits this summer and thanks to

1953
01:28:42,940 --> 01:28:39,920
nature Jews calm I'm here to help you to

1954
01:28:44,860 --> 01:28:42,950
the anti-aging experts nature's use RSF

1955
01:28:47,140 --> 01:28:44,870
they've developed an all-natural amino

1956
01:28:49,300 --> 01:28:47,150
acid supplement that supports my body to

1957
01:28:50,590 --> 01:28:49,310
naturally increase HGH levels without

1958
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:50,600
synthetic hormones

1959
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:53,120
you see HGH are human growth hormone

1960
01:28:56,260 --> 01:28:54,890
it's produced by the pituitary gland and

1961
01:28:58,140 --> 01:28:56,270
it's essential for growth and

1962
01:29:00,700 --> 01:28:58,150
regeneration of my cells and tissues

1963
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:00,710
elevated HGH levels can contribute to

1964
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:02,810
not only increasing my energy improving

1965
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:04,730
my libido and reducing my body fat but

1966
01:29:08,890 --> 01:29:06,710
overall improving my exercise capacity

1967
01:29:10,750 --> 01:29:08,900
now you know just by watching what I eat

1968
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:10,760
doing a little exercise and taking my

1969
01:29:15,790 --> 01:29:13,280
daily dose of nature's youth RSF I'm in

1970
01:29:17,650 --> 01:29:15,800
a swimsuit and I'm happy to be there my

1971
01:29:19,780 --> 01:29:17,660
beach body is back I want you to get

1972
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,790
yours join me today and look better and

1973
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:21,920
less with help from nature's youth it's

1974
01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:24,290
easy go to nature's youth calm that's

1975
01:29:31,450 --> 01:29:27,230
nature's youth calm and bring on the

1976
01:29:39,580 --> 01:29:31,460
sunshine you listen to us and we listen

1977
01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:39,590
to you so does the CIA kgr a radio calm

1978
01:29:44,410 --> 01:29:42,710
that folks CBD is a home run hitter for

1979
01:29:45,670 --> 01:29:44,420
health right now why do you ask

1980
01:29:48,370 --> 01:29:45,680
because of what it does for the body

1981
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:48,380
unfortunately I can't tell you all about

1982
01:29:52,660 --> 01:29:50,570
the benefit you know there's reasons do

1983
01:29:54,970 --> 01:29:52,670
your due diligence and log on to ancient

1984
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:54,980
life oil calm that's ancient life oil

1985
01:29:59,380 --> 01:29:57,050
calm angel life oil uses organic

1986
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,390
ingredients and is blended in coconut

1987
01:30:03,399 --> 01:30:02,000
oil for some of the best benefits legal

1988
01:30:06,069 --> 01:30:03,409
in 50 states and

1989
01:30:07,179 --> 01:30:06,079
non-psychoactive log on to ancient life

1990
01:30:14,290 --> 01:30:07,189
oil calm

1991
01:30:19,779 --> 01:30:14,300
listening to fade to black with ginger

1992
01:30:21,729 --> 01:30:19,789
on the game changing Network hi I'm Lisa

1993
01:30:25,179 --> 01:30:21,739
Vance you're listening to Jimmy Church

1994
01:30:28,179 --> 01:30:25,189
this is a revolution the revolution will

1995
01:30:33,850 --> 01:30:28,189
not be televised the revolution is on

1996
01:30:33,860 --> 01:31:11,779
[Music]

1997
01:31:17,899 --> 01:31:13,919
all right welcome back fade to black

1998
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:17,909
this is our UFO community roundtable on

1999
01:31:27,509 --> 01:31:23,050
has ufology been infiltrated the last

2000
01:31:30,509 --> 01:31:27,519
three weeks has seen just flames flames

2001
01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:30,519
from all directions on individuals and

2002
01:31:35,989 --> 01:31:33,249
groups and networks and authors and it's

2003
01:31:40,109 --> 01:31:35,999
just been absolutely crazy out there and

2004
01:31:43,410 --> 01:31:40,119
I have gathered the very best brightest

2005
01:31:45,930 --> 01:31:43,420
most professional respected members of

2006
01:31:49,229 --> 01:31:45,940
our community on tonight to discuss this

2007
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:49,239
very important issue next up I want to

2008
01:31:54,359 --> 01:31:51,489
welcome to the program the one and only

2009
01:31:57,180 --> 01:31:54,369
Mike Berra and John de Souza Mike bear

2010
01:32:00,060 --> 01:31:57,190
of course author researcher television

2011
01:32:02,910 --> 01:32:00,070
personality and John D'Souza spent 20

2012
01:32:05,609 --> 01:32:02,920
years in the FBI I want to welcome to

2013
01:32:06,450 --> 01:32:05,619
both of you to the program and to keep

2014
01:32:08,339 --> 01:32:06,460
things in order

2015
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:08,349
I'm going to say good evening to John

2016
01:32:13,109 --> 01:32:10,210
first John good evening how are you

2017
01:32:14,910 --> 01:32:13,119
great Jimmy great very happy to be here

2018
01:32:17,009 --> 01:32:14,920
and sounds like a pretty lively

2019
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:17,019
discussion yeah and it's going to get

2020
01:32:21,029 --> 01:32:19,210
livelier because now we have on the one

2021
01:32:22,770 --> 01:32:21,039
and only Mike Barrow my good evening man

2022
01:32:24,029 --> 01:32:22,780
how are you I'm great I thought I was

2023
01:32:27,089 --> 01:32:24,039
supposed to tone it down tonight though

2024
01:32:29,549 --> 01:32:27,099
what's the you know I've got to always

2025
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:29,559
rope you in no matter what Mike the good

2026
01:32:34,799 --> 01:32:31,510
news we're not talking about 9/11

2027
01:32:36,779 --> 01:32:34,809
tonight so yeah yeah there you go okay

2028
01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:36,789
welcome to the program the both of you

2029
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:40,230
now I want to start here with an overall

2030
01:32:47,970 --> 01:32:43,690
general question number two throw this

2031
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:47,980
to John D'Souza first John has the UFO

2032
01:32:54,450 --> 01:32:51,570
community been infiltrated it seems like

2033
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:54,460
everything has happened quite rapidly

2034
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,650
over the last three weeks from different

2035
01:33:00,000 --> 01:32:58,960
groups different individuals pointed at

2036
01:33:02,129 --> 01:33:00,010
different groups and different

2037
01:33:04,770 --> 01:33:02,139
individuals but it's all happened at the

2038
01:33:08,250 --> 01:33:04,780
same time in your opinion have we been

2039
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,260
infiltrated well yes I think it's always

2040
01:33:12,330 --> 01:33:10,480
been that way though I don't think this

2041
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:12,340
is something you know I think the UFO

2042
01:33:17,939 --> 01:33:14,710
community and paranormal community in

2043
01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:17,949
general has always been infiltrated and

2044
01:33:23,969 --> 01:33:20,710
always been that way throughout history

2045
01:33:24,930 --> 01:33:23,979
as well then that's for a very good

2046
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:24,940
reason it's because

2047
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:27,760
as global powers in charge what I call

2048
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:30,400
epic the elite powers in control have it

2049
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:32,850
as one of their high priorities to

2050
01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:39,360
always defeat deter and destroy

2051
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:43,060
paranormal and oof ology also it's over

2052
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:45,310
it's a very big agenda item for them and

2053
01:33:49,979 --> 01:33:46,960
it's something they'll always be working

2054
01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:49,989
on Mike you've been at this for a long

2055
01:33:55,979 --> 01:33:52,870
time and you've seen things come and go

2056
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:55,989
has the UFO community been incorporated

2057
01:34:00,479 --> 01:33:57,489
yeah I've seen things you people

2058
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:00,489
wouldn't believe um yeah you know I

2059
01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:02,410
agree with John I think it's it's

2060
01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:04,239
probably always been infiltrated there's

2061
01:34:10,620 --> 01:34:06,100
always been people in the game that were

2062
01:34:13,260 --> 01:34:10,630
you know um not real that were

2063
01:34:15,959 --> 01:34:13,270
definitely there to distract people from

2064
01:34:17,370 --> 01:34:15,969
the reality of what's going on the

2065
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:17,380
people that are doing good work and

2066
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:18,850
they're sort of you know it's kind of

2067
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:20,530
like they're just trying to suck up the

2068
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:23,530
air in the room so that other people

2069
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:26,320
don't really get a chance to do a more I

2070
01:34:30,930 --> 01:34:29,770
guess I would say serious um research so

2071
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:30,940
there's always been these people out

2072
01:34:35,939 --> 01:34:33,489
there I can probably I can name you a

2073
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:35,949
few that I'm suspicious of but I'm not

2074
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:37,690
going to but I mean you know there's

2075
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,270
just this presence has always been here

2076
01:34:45,390 --> 01:34:42,880
and there's also people that are just in

2077
01:34:46,770 --> 01:34:45,400
it to you know get attention and make a

2078
01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:46,780
buck and they're not really serious

2079
01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:49,630
about going after the truth so you kind

2080
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:50,980
of you can't mix up one with the other

2081
01:34:54,330 --> 01:34:52,330
you know you never know who's really on

2082
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:54,340
the payroll and who's not I've offered

2083
01:34:58,560 --> 01:34:56,080
on many occasions to be put on the

2084
01:35:00,479 --> 01:34:58,570
payroll and I never have so nobody will

2085
01:35:02,939 --> 01:35:00,489
give me any money so you know I'm just

2086
01:35:05,340 --> 01:35:02,949
kidding but it's like hey you have to be

2087
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:05,350
careful because there's always been this

2088
01:35:11,850 --> 01:35:08,370
this sort of element out there of a

2089
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:11,860
phone enos to some people but the truth

2090
01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:15,040
is also Jimmy that you got you've got a

2091
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:17,500
lot of this a lot of this conflict that

2092
01:35:22,830 --> 01:35:20,290
goes on is simple jealousy do you think

2093
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:22,840
and out this is where I'm going to go a

2094
01:35:27,660 --> 01:35:25,090
little bit extreme but I think there's a

2095
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:27,670
very strong possibility when I look at

2096
01:35:32,580 --> 01:35:29,890
some of the individuals and groups that

2097
01:35:33,710 --> 01:35:32,590
have literally completely come unhinged

2098
01:35:35,930 --> 01:35:33,720
and

2099
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:35,940
have-have lost control of their

2100
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:39,600
faculties with accusations and lies and

2101
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:44,010
just outright just bloody stuff do you

2102
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:45,690
think that there's the possibility of

2103
01:35:51,050 --> 01:35:49,050
some remote mind control going on and

2104
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,060
somebody's been activated and they don't

2105
01:35:56,060 --> 01:35:53,520
even know it Mike

2106
01:35:57,170 --> 01:35:56,070
you first somebody's been activated and

2107
01:35:59,600 --> 01:35:57,180
they don't even know I guess that's a

2108
01:36:01,370 --> 01:35:59,610
possibility although again you know

2109
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:01,380
Jimmy I tend to attribute more of this

2110
01:36:05,810 --> 01:36:02,730
rivalry and stuff that goes on just

2111
01:36:07,790 --> 01:36:05,820
simply people fighting over their piece

2112
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:07,800
of the pie fighting over attention

2113
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:11,730
trying to get people you know to focus

2114
01:36:15,050 --> 01:36:13,320
on their research rather than somebody

2115
01:36:17,870 --> 01:36:15,060
else's I mean if you look at somebody

2116
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,880
like Bob Lazar and he was universally

2117
01:36:21,980 --> 01:36:19,920
attacked by a lot of the established

2118
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,990
names in the UFO community and people

2119
01:36:24,230 --> 01:36:23,280
have said a lot of things about it but

2120
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:24,240
look I'll just tell you from my

2121
01:36:30,590 --> 01:36:27,090
experience as as an engineer when I hear

2122
01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:30,600
him talk I guarantee you he is he is

2123
01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:34,020
either an engineer or a scientist a

2124
01:36:38,180 --> 01:36:36,270
physicist this is a guy who has a way of

2125
01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:38,190
speaking who has a way of communicating

2126
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:41,490
that is definitely educated experienced

2127
01:36:44,420 --> 01:36:42,690
you knows what he's talking about so as

2128
01:36:46,670 --> 01:36:44,430
an example of you know using him as an

2129
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,680
example I would say that that the

2130
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:48,960
attacks on him were really unjustified

2131
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:51,570
and you know yet on the other hand it's

2132
01:36:55,700 --> 01:36:54,480
like there's no question as I've done

2133
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:55,710
research on books that I've written

2134
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:57,090
there's no question that the government

2135
01:37:01,250 --> 01:36:59,760
from time to time put stuff out there to

2136
01:37:04,340 --> 01:37:01,260
see what people will believe in what

2137
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:04,350
they they won't believe as actually I've

2138
01:37:08,810 --> 01:37:07,410
been doing research for a book I wrote a

2139
01:37:10,940 --> 01:37:08,820
couple years ago ancient aliens and

2140
01:37:12,890 --> 01:37:10,950
secret societies I discovered that the

2141
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:12,900
War of the Worlds broadcast radio

2142
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:16,410
broadcasts in 1938 I think it was by

2143
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:18,930
arson wells that was all financed by a

2144
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:21,090
group coming out of Princeton University

2145
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:23,910
that got government money to put that

2146
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:26,100
show on the air and so you know you find

2147
01:37:30,380 --> 01:37:27,690
out that they kind of wanted to see well

2148
01:37:31,460 --> 01:37:30,390
where's everybody state of mind and what

2149
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:31,470
are they what are they going to what's

2150
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:32,970
going to happen if there's really an

2151
01:37:37,490 --> 01:37:34,890
invasion from Mars or how will people

2152
01:37:39,620 --> 01:37:37,500
react so there is this deeper darker

2153
01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:39,630
undertone to things but I mean again I

2154
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:44,070
tend to assign most of this to to simple

2155
01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:47,280
simply people you know that were once

2156
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:49,289
big deal in the community not now as big

2157
01:37:54,140 --> 01:37:51,210
a deal and kind of not being happy about

2158
01:37:56,660 --> 01:37:54,150
that John what do you think about that

2159
01:37:59,180 --> 01:37:56,670
idea that that possibly there could be

2160
01:38:02,600 --> 01:37:59,190
some you know mind control and some

2161
01:38:04,330 --> 01:38:02,610
activation going on here that has caused

2162
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:04,340
all of this to happen at the same time

2163
01:38:08,810 --> 01:38:06,719
yeah I think that there's a lot of

2164
01:38:11,359 --> 01:38:08,820
moving parts involved with what's going

2165
01:38:14,770 --> 01:38:11,369
on right now and that mind control is

2166
01:38:17,660 --> 01:38:14,780
one of the tools in the toolkit of the

2167
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:17,670
globalists that are often behind these

2168
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:21,360
types of infiltration movements and also

2169
01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:23,369
the moving parts that Mike Barrett just

2170
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:26,460
referred to also play a large part in

2171
01:38:30,109 --> 01:38:28,530
this kind of a thing but one thing I

2172
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:30,119
wanted to one thing I wanted to add to

2173
01:38:35,660 --> 01:38:33,449
this is that one of your previous one of

2174
01:38:38,209 --> 01:38:35,670
your previous speakers there scared me

2175
01:38:40,279 --> 01:38:38,219
about this Robert Bigelow talk and I

2176
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:40,289
want to say I want to say right away

2177
01:38:45,290 --> 01:38:42,960
that the the answer to this kind of

2178
01:38:48,350 --> 01:38:45,300
situation in ecology or in the

2179
01:38:52,370 --> 01:38:48,360
paranormal is not a Star Chamber or a

2180
01:38:56,510 --> 01:38:52,380
panel that's going to be self-appointed

2181
01:38:58,910 --> 01:38:56,520
Li judging who who's legitimate and

2182
01:39:00,799 --> 01:38:58,920
who's an infiltrator that's never the

2183
01:39:04,609 --> 01:39:00,809
answer I've worked with star chambers

2184
01:39:07,069 --> 01:39:04,619
before notably uh during the 80s when we

2185
01:39:07,879 --> 01:39:07,079
started the FISA the FISA system which

2186
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:07,889
was done

2187
01:39:11,930 --> 01:39:09,449
the FISA system in the United States

2188
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:11,940
against international terrorists which

2189
01:39:16,580 --> 01:39:14,880
was done with secret judges until that

2190
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:16,590
whole system was blown right opened by

2191
01:39:20,510 --> 01:39:18,770
the UH by the New York Times and

2192
01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:20,520
rightfully so

2193
01:39:26,510 --> 01:39:23,369
so it's it's just too much it's too much

2194
01:39:28,069 --> 01:39:26,520
power to have some kind of appointed

2195
01:39:30,379 --> 01:39:28,079
star chamber or some group of

2196
01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:30,389
individuals to decide who's right and

2197
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:33,420
who's not who's not legitimate what the

2198
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:35,130
answer to approaching this kind of

2199
01:39:41,299 --> 01:39:38,460
problem is with standards standards is

2200
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:41,309
the right and protocols that can be used

2201
01:39:45,529 --> 01:39:43,650
to assess individuals and assess their

2202
01:39:47,180 --> 01:39:45,539
material and I can tell you right away a

2203
01:39:49,399 --> 01:39:47,190
standard that people already use

2204
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:49,409
everyone uses this on instinctively but

2205
01:39:54,290 --> 01:39:51,449
sometimes it helps to hear articulate it

2206
01:39:58,009 --> 01:39:54,300
is people everybody uses up there's a

2207
01:40:00,770 --> 01:39:58,019
two prong standard that's used to judge

2208
01:40:03,380 --> 01:40:00,780
to opine to figure out

2209
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:03,390
whether people's people are legitimate

2210
01:40:09,190 --> 01:40:06,210
and one is the personality assessment of

2211
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:09,200
the person themselves their integrity

2212
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:13,440
reliability as witness as as someone

2213
01:40:17,330 --> 01:40:15,600
speaking on this material and then

2214
01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:17,340
there's the judgment of the evidentiary

2215
01:40:21,380 --> 01:40:18,840
value of the material the material

2216
01:40:22,850 --> 01:40:21,390
they're bringing for it and and I can

2217
01:40:25,340 --> 01:40:22,860
tell here's a secret about those two

2218
01:40:27,020 --> 01:40:25,350
standards which everybody uses the

2219
01:40:29,690 --> 01:40:27,030
secret about those two standards that

2220
01:40:32,540 --> 01:40:29,700
you pass one of those standards you only

2221
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:32,550
have to pass one and people will and

2222
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:34,650
your material will be very well received

2223
01:40:40,490 --> 01:40:37,560
and it will be given the benefit of the

2224
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:40,500
doubt you don't have to pass both and I

2225
01:40:46,130 --> 01:40:43,770
can tell you for an example if if Mike

2226
01:40:49,790 --> 01:40:46,140
Berra bring something bring forth a

2227
01:40:52,610 --> 01:40:49,800
ghost story and with no with no evidence

2228
01:40:54,020 --> 01:40:52,620
it's a I'm still going to listen to it

2229
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:54,030
because of the weight and the gravitas

2230
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:56,610
of his authority of his personality of

2231
01:41:01,760 --> 01:40:59,280
who he is and the record that he has the

2232
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:01,770
education that he has in this area and

2233
01:41:07,490 --> 01:41:04,530
everything so even if he comes with a

2234
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:07,500
ghost story with no corroboration and no

2235
01:41:12,980 --> 01:41:11,010
other witnesses that evidence is going

2236
01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:12,990
to be looked at it's going to be taken

2237
01:41:18,230 --> 01:41:15,480
as very credible because he passes that

2238
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:18,240
first test that personality assessment

2239
01:41:23,540 --> 01:41:20,210
and of course that's can be good or

2240
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:23,550
sometimes people if their material is if

2241
01:41:28,130 --> 01:41:26,250
the witness themselves is someone

2242
01:41:30,980 --> 01:41:28,140
unknown somebody that you don't know

2243
01:41:33,410 --> 01:41:30,990
what kind of reliability they have if

2244
01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:33,420
their material is is fantastic in terms

2245
01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:35,790
of being rock-solid credible reliable

2246
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:38,340
material then that's going to be good

2247
01:41:42,620 --> 01:41:40,530
enough for people to really give it good

2248
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:42,630
looking and that's the way it should be

2249
01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:43,110
it's fine

2250
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:46,500
so I have the problem now is that we

2251
01:41:52,580 --> 01:41:48,510
have a lot of people who don't pass

2252
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:52,590
either test they do follow G and in

2253
01:41:57,890 --> 01:41:55,050
paranormal in general people who don't

2254
01:42:01,160 --> 01:41:57,900
pass either test and yet somehow they're

2255
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:01,170
in organically being thrust forward and

2256
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:02,850
so that's what raises so many questions

2257
01:42:07,670 --> 01:42:05,280
because the personnel personal

2258
01:42:09,860 --> 01:42:07,680
reliability is not there there their

2259
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:09,870
integrity is not there what they were

2260
01:42:15,110 --> 01:42:12,690
saying just two years ago doesn't jibe

2261
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:15,120
with what they're saying now

2262
01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:16,890
some of them don't even know it's in

2263
01:42:21,770 --> 01:42:18,270
their own books that they supposedly

2264
01:42:24,530 --> 01:42:21,780
wrote and yet they're out here pressing

2265
01:42:26,810 --> 01:42:24,540
forward material that is also ludicrous

2266
01:42:28,940 --> 01:42:26,820
and doesn't have any weight to it at all

2267
01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:28,950
so they panic late they fail I should

2268
01:42:34,430 --> 01:42:31,860
say they fail on both prongs of that

2269
01:42:37,220 --> 01:42:34,440
natural assessment that we use in this

2270
01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:37,230
area and so it just becomes bewildering

2271
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:40,110
when individuals like that still somehow

2272
01:42:47,180 --> 01:42:44,010
are pushed forward without any real

2273
01:42:49,790 --> 01:42:47,190
organic sort of support it just raises

2274
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:49,800
raised tremendous questions about the

2275
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:50,460
infiltration

2276
01:42:57,500 --> 01:42:54,570
well it certainly and and well put I

2277
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:57,510
want to throw this over to Mike kind of

2278
01:43:07,450 --> 01:43:01,440
staying on that same vein when you get

2279
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:07,460
attacked over and over again and your

2280
01:43:13,970 --> 01:43:10,410
accusers of which Mike has had many

2281
01:43:15,860 --> 01:43:13,980
Topher seekers I yeah don't come with

2282
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:15,870
bullets and their gun you know they're

2283
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:18,330
just making stuff up left and right and

2284
01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:21,060
you have to combat that every single day

2285
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:22,380
where you're just seeing stuff that is

2286
01:43:27,740 --> 01:43:24,930
just out-and-out you know made up how do

2287
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:27,750
you deal with that Mike you you're the

2288
01:43:32,180 --> 01:43:30,090
right guy to ask this question well I

2289
01:43:35,180 --> 01:43:32,190
mean I used to respond to all of it and

2290
01:43:36,620 --> 01:43:35,190
it really was the idea is what they

2291
01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:36,630
really want to do is they want to suck

2292
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:38,460
up all your time and energy so you don't

2293
01:43:42,710 --> 01:43:40,170
have any time and energy to do anything

2294
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:42,720
new and keep bringing people the truth

2295
01:43:48,890 --> 01:43:45,570
and the reason that you know researchers

2296
01:43:51,050 --> 01:43:48,900
are gone after is not because they don't

2297
01:43:52,340 --> 01:43:51,060
have any game or they don't have any

2298
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:52,350
information that they're bringing it's

2299
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:55,170
because they do have it so in a way it's

2300
01:43:57,950 --> 01:43:56,850
really flattering what's going on is

2301
01:44:00,160 --> 01:43:57,960
that you know whether it's me or

2302
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:00,170
somebody else in the community is

2303
01:44:06,650 --> 01:44:04,170
scaring the bad guys they're scaring the

2304
01:44:09,710 --> 01:44:06,660
deep state types they're scaring the

2305
01:44:13,820 --> 01:44:09,720
national security you know state type

2306
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,830
people you're scaring the sagginess as I

2307
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:15,600
like the column or the or the scientific

2308
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:17,370
material is the people worship at the

2309
01:44:21,950 --> 01:44:19,110
altar of Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse

2310
01:44:24,350 --> 01:44:21,960
Tyson and Bill Nye the comedian guy

2311
01:44:26,810 --> 01:44:24,360
you're scaring them and so that's why

2312
01:44:28,279 --> 01:44:26,820
they go after you so intensely so you

2313
01:44:30,529 --> 01:44:28,289
know the way I responded to it

2314
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:30,539
ultimately was I finally decided look

2315
01:44:34,129 --> 01:44:32,130
I'm going to pick about a dozen of the

2316
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:34,139
stupidest things they've ever said about

2317
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:35,940
me and I'm going to address some when I

2318
01:44:39,290 --> 01:44:37,050
address them in different blog posts

2319
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:39,300
that I created over the years and then I

2320
01:44:43,279 --> 01:44:41,550
I posted them in a place on my website

2321
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,289
called response to criticism and

2322
01:44:47,359 --> 01:44:45,360
basically by the time I feel like

2323
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:47,369
anybody who's open-minded and that's the

2324
01:44:50,060 --> 01:44:48,449
only person I'm interested in reaching

2325
01:44:52,069 --> 01:44:50,070
it's somebody who's truly open-minded

2326
01:44:53,029 --> 01:44:52,079
anybody who is open-minded can go there

2327
01:44:55,370 --> 01:44:53,039
and they can go through and they can

2328
01:44:57,020 --> 01:44:55,380
look and they could read step by step

2329
01:44:58,729 --> 01:44:57,030
through the things that I've been

2330
01:45:00,979 --> 01:44:58,739
accused of and things that people said I

2331
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,989
said that I've never ever words that

2332
01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:03,119
never came out of my mouth and I figured

2333
01:45:06,890 --> 01:45:04,409
by the time you get through twelve of

2334
01:45:09,649 --> 01:45:06,900
them it's pretty obvious to see who's

2335
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:09,659
right ninety five percent of the time or

2336
01:45:13,700 --> 01:45:11,130
100 percent of the time and who's full

2337
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,710
of it and so you know I just left it at

2338
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:15,840
that and I haven't responded or

2339
01:45:20,509 --> 01:45:18,449
seen any of this stuff for really four

2340
01:45:22,910 --> 01:45:20,519
years I mean it's been three years at

2341
01:45:25,069 --> 01:45:22,920
least probably you know I just blocked

2342
01:45:26,689 --> 01:45:25,079
off all the emails that they had and I

2343
01:45:28,609 --> 01:45:26,699
blocked off all the comments on my blog

2344
01:45:30,919 --> 01:45:28,619
and so I'm sure they're still out there

2345
01:45:32,450 --> 01:45:30,929
spinning their wheels but I just pay

2346
01:45:34,279 --> 01:45:32,460
zero attention to it it's like when you

2347
01:45:35,810 --> 01:45:34,289
break up with a girl you know and you

2348
01:45:37,459 --> 01:45:35,820
just don't go look at her Instagram

2349
01:45:39,799 --> 01:45:37,469
it'll just make you nuts and you want to

2350
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:39,809
you'll want to scream at her again so

2351
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,730
don't do it and I just haven't done it

2352
01:45:45,799 --> 01:45:43,199
and that's the way I've responded to it

2353
01:45:47,450 --> 01:45:45,809
and and I'm honestly it's been a really

2354
01:45:49,009 --> 01:45:47,460
enjoyable three years knowing that

2355
01:45:52,279 --> 01:45:49,019
they're still going crazy and I'm still

2356
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:52,289
doing my thing where and and those you

2357
01:45:57,290 --> 01:45:54,090
know obviously we don't have to name

2358
01:45:59,240 --> 01:45:57,300
names that's just dumb but if the those

2359
01:46:03,129 --> 01:45:59,250
that have attacked you over the years

2360
01:46:05,870 --> 01:46:03,139
who thought that they were raising their

2361
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:05,880
level of visibility right and probably

2362
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:08,250
doing it for ego you're in the way and

2363
01:46:15,140 --> 01:46:12,690
using you for that where are they now

2364
01:46:18,259 --> 01:46:15,150
right they they it's not like they're

2365
01:46:21,319 --> 01:46:18,269
publishing books or they have furthered

2366
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:21,329
their career I'm just asking had they

2367
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:24,840
just disappeared well I mean as far as I

2368
01:46:27,799 --> 01:46:26,159
know I think they're still out there but

2369
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:27,809
I don't really pay any attention to them

2370
01:46:34,490 --> 01:46:30,000
the thing is Jimmy is it look there's

2371
01:46:37,129 --> 01:46:34,500
there's nobody nobody has a hater who

2372
01:46:39,140 --> 01:46:37,139
has a better life than they do in other

2373
01:46:40,609 --> 01:46:39,150
words the people that might hate on you

2374
01:46:41,660 --> 01:46:40,619
or the people that hey I don't even know

2375
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:41,670
if you have any haters maybe

2376
01:46:46,820 --> 01:46:44,070
you're so universally loved that nobody

2377
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:46,830
goes after you but um you know Jordan

2378
01:46:51,530 --> 01:46:48,480
Maxwell told me something really really

2379
01:46:53,540 --> 01:46:51,540
important one time and he said I said

2380
01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:53,550
you know gherkin you know all the stuff

2381
01:46:57,169 --> 01:46:55,710
you talk about it it's really out there

2382
01:46:58,250 --> 01:46:57,179
you know I call him the patron saint of

2383
01:47:00,020 --> 01:46:58,260
conspiracy theory

2384
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,030
I know hasn't anybody ever come after

2385
01:47:03,140 --> 01:47:01,920
you or anything like that he said well

2386
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:03,150
no I've had people talked to me before

2387
01:47:08,780 --> 01:47:05,730
and I asked him that once and they said

2388
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:08,790
Jordan as long as people are just

2389
01:47:16,490 --> 01:47:12,960
hearing you we don't care if they

2390
01:47:18,860 --> 01:47:16,500
started to listen to you that's when we

2391
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:18,870
care so the way I look at it is the more

2392
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:22,170
flak I get the more concern the bad guys

2393
01:47:28,660 --> 01:47:25,199
are that people are listening to me and

2394
01:47:31,340 --> 01:47:28,670
so that to me means that you know

2395
01:47:33,470 --> 01:47:31,350
they're either doing this because they

2396
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:33,480
have a deep state agenda or they're

2397
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:36,449
doing this because there's simply an ego

2398
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:38,010
involved and they resent the fact that

2399
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:40,260
you're on the radio and you're on TV and

2400
01:47:43,220 --> 01:47:41,370
they think they should be the ones on

2401
01:47:45,500 --> 01:47:43,230
the radio and they should be the ones on

2402
01:47:48,530 --> 01:47:45,510
TV and that that's the case the best way

2403
01:47:50,030 --> 01:47:48,540
to fight the haters is to just continue

2404
01:47:52,430 --> 01:47:50,040
to do what you do I mean you know when I

2405
01:47:54,410 --> 01:47:52,440
look out when I sit there on a panel

2406
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:54,420
with you and we look out at a thousand

2407
01:47:58,580 --> 01:47:56,610
eleven hundred people watching us on our

2408
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:58,590
panel of contact in the desert you know

2409
01:48:01,580 --> 01:48:00,239
and it's beautiful it's sunny and we're

2410
01:48:04,340 --> 01:48:01,590
surrounded by all these people that are

2411
01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:04,350
trying to move forward in life and learn

2412
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:06,060
new things and I think to myself god

2413
01:48:10,580 --> 01:48:08,489
what a what a privilege it is and what a

2414
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:10,590
great life it is to have and and I just

2415
01:48:15,470 --> 01:48:12,449
have to think of it in that sense and

2416
01:48:17,540 --> 01:48:15,480
and there you know by doing this by

2417
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:17,550
doing the work that we do and moving

2418
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:20,010
forward were making them not so I don't

2419
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:22,170
really concern myself with them anymore

2420
01:48:27,919 --> 01:48:24,330
well John he he brings up a really good

2421
01:48:31,130 --> 01:48:27,929
point are you only well first off you

2422
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:31,140
specifically John but in general are you

2423
01:48:37,550 --> 01:48:35,850
only attack because you matter right if

2424
01:48:39,380 --> 01:48:37,560
you don't matter nobody's going to say

2425
01:48:41,090 --> 01:48:39,390
anything am i understanding this right

2426
01:48:44,540 --> 01:48:41,100
and what do you think about that yeah I

2427
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:44,550
think uh Mike articulated it very well

2428
01:48:51,540 --> 01:48:48,239
it's uh it's makes me want to just print

2429
01:48:54,690 --> 01:48:51,550
the Teddy Roosevelt in the arena for

2430
01:48:56,730 --> 01:48:54,700
whatever critics happen to come up here

2431
01:48:58,710 --> 01:48:56,740
and there that's I think that's like the

2432
01:49:01,970 --> 01:48:58,720
best answer you can actually place on

2433
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:01,980
those people but yeah on the other side

2434
01:49:08,850 --> 01:49:05,730
paranormal the the scientific

2435
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:08,860
materialist community that's always

2436
01:49:14,370 --> 01:49:11,770
attacking anybody it doesn't matter it

2437
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:14,380
doesn't matter really who you are in

2438
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:17,530
paranormal but anyone in paranormal is

2439
01:49:23,730 --> 01:49:19,710
attacked by this sort of cynical

2440
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:23,740
community that is amazingly well

2441
01:49:29,250 --> 01:49:26,080
financed and seem to have a lot of time

2442
01:49:33,390 --> 01:49:29,260
and energy and resources to attack

2443
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:33,400
anything that is outside the materialist

2444
01:49:37,290 --> 01:49:35,890
paradigm and they're not just and

2445
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:37,300
they're not objective they're not

2446
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:41,110
objective balanced kind of evaluators of

2447
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:44,890
this material they are rabid like rabid

2448
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:48,550
attack dogs and it is it's really it's

2449
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:51,760
really awful to be subjected to their

2450
01:49:57,690 --> 01:49:54,690
attacks all on a consistent basis and

2451
01:49:59,190 --> 01:49:57,700
when it comes up I mean you just you got

2452
01:50:01,770 --> 01:49:59,200
to do just like Mike said and just

2453
01:50:04,230 --> 01:50:01,780
realize that these are haters that are

2454
01:50:07,470 --> 01:50:04,240
just have their own agenda and their

2455
01:50:10,140 --> 01:50:07,480
agenda is not to believe not to believe

2456
01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:10,150
at all and a lot of times when they're

2457
01:50:16,260 --> 01:50:13,300
they're spouting out there their little

2458
01:50:18,810 --> 01:50:16,270
sayings like you know where is your

2459
01:50:20,430 --> 01:50:18,820
proof what is your proof you know I've

2460
01:50:22,170 --> 01:50:20,440
worked I've worked with proof and

2461
01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:22,180
evidence all my life and I know what it

2462
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:24,340
really means and it doesn't mean what

2463
01:50:28,380 --> 01:50:25,930
they what they're saying because what

2464
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:28,390
they're always saying is do something to

2465
01:50:34,050 --> 01:50:30,880
force me to believe that's what they're

2466
01:50:35,850 --> 01:50:34,060
really saying and nobody even if we

2467
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:35,860
could force them we shouldn't try

2468
01:50:42,210 --> 01:50:38,650
because that's not a it's not a winning

2469
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:42,220
strategy to grow this area and to open

2470
01:50:47,130 --> 01:50:44,080
up this area to more people in the

2471
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:47,140
mainstream is what I am go ahead

2472
01:50:51,540 --> 01:50:49,690
but to stand in your own truth and say

2473
01:50:53,070 --> 01:50:51,550
what you know to be true and let people

2474
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:53,080
come to it and find it on their own I

2475
01:50:56,610 --> 01:50:54,850
mean that's what most of us I think do

2476
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,620
and that's why you know what people

2477
01:51:01,740 --> 01:50:58,480
complain about some of the newcomers on

2478
01:51:04,230 --> 01:51:01,750
the scene you know that that supposedly

2479
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:04,240
don't have any proof of the stories that

2480
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,510
they're telling you know

2481
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:07,280
I'm like I'm fine with that because

2482
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:10,159
they're telling their own truth I've met

2483
01:51:14,020 --> 01:51:11,510
enough of them and talked to enough of

2484
01:51:16,509 --> 01:51:14,030
them that I've never met anybody that I

2485
01:51:19,089 --> 01:51:16,519
really would say I think was being

2486
01:51:20,740 --> 01:51:19,099
deceptive and had an agenda and you know

2487
01:51:21,970 --> 01:51:20,750
I mean I I'm I've talked to a lot of

2488
01:51:24,669 --> 01:51:21,980
these guys that have been getting a lot

2489
01:51:27,009 --> 01:51:24,679
of flack and it's like you know I think

2490
01:51:28,540 --> 01:51:27,019
a lot of it stems from simple jealousy

2491
01:51:30,669 --> 01:51:28,550
of their success people want to hear any

2492
01:51:32,529 --> 01:51:30,679
stories ultimately the market will

2493
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:32,539
decide right the market will tell us

2494
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,570
whether or not somebody has lasting

2495
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:37,760
sustained power in the business well and

2496
01:51:41,890 --> 01:51:39,440
and that's a really really good point

2497
01:51:46,799 --> 01:51:41,900
this community has always had a way of

2498
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:46,809
flushing out what they want here right

2499
01:51:53,220 --> 01:51:49,489
if you're not wanted if you're not

2500
01:51:55,660 --> 01:51:53,230
trusted if your message isn't resonating

2501
01:51:58,750 --> 01:51:55,670
it's oh it's over

2502
01:52:00,850 --> 01:51:58,760
you're not going to I mean we all know

2503
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:00,860
we all know people that that don't get

2504
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:03,110
invited to anything anymore because of

2505
01:52:07,779 --> 01:52:05,530
their personal conduct and their

2506
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:07,789
professional conduct you know and I mean

2507
01:52:11,229 --> 01:52:09,440
we could name names I'm going to let the

2508
01:52:13,089 --> 01:52:11,239
audience guesses who they are but you

2509
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:13,099
know and I know Jimmy and it's like they

2510
01:52:18,939 --> 01:52:15,920
that's just the way it is and then

2511
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:18,949
ultimately the market decides the

2512
01:52:24,700 --> 01:52:20,960
audience decides who stays and who goes

2513
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:24,710
and no movement has ever grown or or had

2514
01:52:28,770 --> 01:52:27,050
great success without new people and

2515
01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:28,780
without younger people and without

2516
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:32,000
growing bad audience so you know when

2517
01:52:37,839 --> 01:52:35,150
you when you hear these people who are

2518
01:52:41,259 --> 01:52:37,849
from you know a very long time ago

2519
01:52:42,759 --> 01:52:41,269
who complain about newcomers and you

2520
01:52:44,410 --> 01:52:42,769
know the person hasn't done anything in

2521
01:52:47,919 --> 01:52:44,420
the community and now they're doing this

2522
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:47,929
doing that it just it just rings very I

2523
01:52:52,180 --> 01:52:50,000
don't know inauthentic it rings very

2524
01:52:54,609 --> 01:52:52,190
hollow when you hear that sort of thing

2525
01:52:57,100 --> 01:52:54,619
because we all we want this community to

2526
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:57,110
succeed wanted to grow we wanted to to

2527
01:53:02,319 --> 01:52:59,840
reach out to mainstream people and you

2528
01:53:04,209 --> 01:53:02,329
can't do that unless you grow it unless

2529
01:53:08,379 --> 01:53:04,219
you have it with new people younger

2530
01:53:11,229 --> 01:53:08,389
people as well yeah and in the three of

2531
01:53:13,509 --> 01:53:11,239
us I'm just going to say contact in the

2532
01:53:15,609 --> 01:53:13,519
desert because it just happened and also

2533
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:15,619
because it's it's so friggin huge and

2534
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:18,320
wonderful but here we are the three of

2535
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:19,040
us

2536
01:53:23,950 --> 01:53:20,510
looking around and you see such a

2537
01:53:28,330 --> 01:53:23,960
wonderful cross-section of Ages very

2538
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:28,340
young very young - - very old right I

2539
01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:30,770
gave a way of fade to black teacher - a

2540
01:53:36,910 --> 01:53:34,490
94 year old woman her name was Mary how

2541
01:53:40,450 --> 01:53:36,920
cool is that right I gave away t-shirts

2542
01:53:43,420 --> 01:53:40,460
to a three year old little girl who was

2543
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:43,430
there with her father how cool is that

2544
01:53:49,660 --> 01:53:46,880
right and and nothing but a wonderful

2545
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:49,670
experience going around there and I can

2546
01:53:53,440 --> 01:53:51,110
tell you and I want both of your

2547
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:53,450
opinions if there was a bunch of

2548
01:53:58,600 --> 01:53:55,970
negativity flying around there that

2549
01:54:01,210 --> 01:53:58,610
wouldn't resonate with that crowd

2550
01:54:04,660 --> 01:54:01,220
they're not there to hear negative there

2551
01:54:07,090 --> 01:54:04,670
it wouldn't sway anybody would it Mike I

2552
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:07,100
know no it's completely out of sync with

2553
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:08,690
the with the event itself with the

2554
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:10,850
energetic flow of the event itself so it

2555
01:54:14,350 --> 01:54:12,650
wouldn't work I mean highly negative

2556
01:54:15,610 --> 01:54:14,360
people and there are a few of them in

2557
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:15,620
the community they don't come there

2558
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:16,850
they're not invited there and people

2559
01:54:21,970 --> 01:54:19,010
don't want to see them so you know it's

2560
01:54:23,380 --> 01:54:21,980
kind of like this way just wouldn't fit

2561
01:54:25,660 --> 01:54:23,390
in it and it wouldn't work and that's

2562
01:54:27,550 --> 01:54:25,670
that's not what happened at all that's

2563
01:54:29,710 --> 01:54:27,560
never what's happened there in fact you

2564
01:54:32,050 --> 01:54:29,720
know I've I've talked to many many

2565
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:32,060
people who always find their first

2566
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:33,290
experience there to be the most

2567
01:54:37,810 --> 01:54:34,850
extraordinary thing that that they've

2568
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:37,820
ever gone through in terms of a UFO

2569
01:54:42,340 --> 01:54:39,440
conference or getting information from

2570
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:42,350
people and there's just so much great

2571
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:43,970
stuff and great energy there that you

2572
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:46,130
you know you can't you can't avoid it

2573
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:48,410
you can't avoid soaking in the good that

2574
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:50,960
happens at that place and it's just you

2575
01:54:57,070 --> 01:54:53,690
know Victoria and Paul have just created

2576
01:55:00,160 --> 01:54:57,080
an extraordinary event that everybody

2577
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:00,170
should go to every year because you're

2578
01:55:05,620 --> 01:55:02,090
always going to hear amazing new stuff

2579
01:55:07,300 --> 01:55:05,630
every year so and John John to that end

2580
01:55:09,940 --> 01:55:07,310
and we've only got to about two minutes

2581
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:09,950
left John you know 20 years in the FBI

2582
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:13,280
now you're you're in the the paranormal

2583
01:55:23,050 --> 01:55:18,130
UFO community now why do you think that

2584
01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:23,060
social media negativity or or a negative

2585
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:25,760
YouTube video pointed at somebody do you

2586
01:55:30,190 --> 01:55:28,130
think that's going to have any success

2587
01:55:32,590 --> 01:55:30,200
do you think it would sway the opinions

2588
01:55:35,020 --> 01:55:32,600
of the people that you have met

2589
01:55:37,540 --> 01:55:35,030
now ultimately that sort of stuff is

2590
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:37,550
just white noise in the background it

2591
01:55:41,710 --> 01:55:39,290
doesn't have it doesn't have a lasting

2592
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:41,720
effect it doesn't really bring us down

2593
01:55:47,710 --> 01:55:44,330
because we continue to do what we do and

2594
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:47,720
and we go to these conferences which I

2595
01:55:52,210 --> 01:55:50,450
can tell folks conferences like contact

2596
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:52,220
in the desert is just there's nothing

2597
01:55:57,220 --> 01:55:55,370
like the feedback the emotional feedback

2598
01:55:59,320 --> 01:55:57,230
the spiritual feedback that you get

2599
01:56:02,190 --> 01:55:59,330
especially if somebody like me who was

2600
01:56:05,620 --> 01:56:02,200
in government work for over 20 years

2601
01:56:08,140 --> 01:56:05,630
which is kind of a cold gray place sort

2602
01:56:10,180 --> 01:56:08,150
of in a lot of ways especially compared

2603
01:56:12,850 --> 01:56:10,190
to this community and I'm just I'm just

2604
01:56:15,490 --> 01:56:12,860
like incredibly humbled and I'm just

2605
01:56:17,650 --> 01:56:15,500
really happy to be in this community now

2606
01:56:19,930 --> 01:56:17,660
and be able to benefit from that

2607
01:56:22,930 --> 01:56:19,940
mic I'm going to give you the last word

2608
01:56:26,290 --> 01:56:22,940
we've got 60 seconds oh thank okay Mikey

2609
01:56:28,090 --> 01:56:26,300
get the last word how does the UFO

2610
01:56:31,020 --> 01:56:28,100
community come together and move forward

2611
01:56:33,610 --> 01:56:31,030
past this last three weeks of darkness

2612
01:56:35,260 --> 01:56:33,620
well I mean stop being jealous of each

2613
01:56:37,690 --> 01:56:35,270
other for one thing I mean look you know

2614
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:37,700
the bottom line is there are people that

2615
01:56:41,290 --> 01:56:39,050
are going to come in with entertaining

2616
01:56:43,420 --> 01:56:41,300
stories they may or may not be true in a

2617
01:56:45,010 --> 01:56:43,430
lot of cases they can't prove them

2618
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:45,020
because they're just not the kind of

2619
01:56:47,590 --> 01:56:46,400
stories you're going to be able to prove

2620
01:56:49,870 --> 01:56:47,600
you're not going to be allowed to walk

2621
01:56:52,330 --> 01:56:49,880
out of area 51 with a piece of the

2622
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:52,340
Roswell flying saucer so let's take

2623
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:54,530
people at their word and I've discovered

2624
01:56:58,570 --> 01:56:56,960
that when I talk to anybody one on one

2625
01:57:01,390 --> 01:56:58,580
of the community the people I've met you

2626
01:57:02,830 --> 01:57:01,400
know Whitley Strieber Corey Goode David

2627
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:02,840
Wilcock all these guys they're all

2628
01:57:07,090 --> 01:57:05,690
people of good heart and good intent and

2629
01:57:08,980 --> 01:57:07,100
you know give them the benefit of the

2630
01:57:11,860 --> 01:57:08,990
doubt and you just basically take the

2631
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:11,870
information that fits for you and keep

2632
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:13,520
it and the information that doesn't let

2633
01:57:17,470 --> 01:57:16,250
it go and you know I there's there's

2634
01:57:19,540 --> 01:57:17,480
just the thing is that we're all talking

2635
01:57:21,820 --> 01:57:19,550
about the same extraordinary events that

2636
01:57:23,410 --> 01:57:21,830
are going on around the world and we're

2637
01:57:25,780 --> 01:57:23,420
just saying it to people in different

2638
01:57:28,270 --> 01:57:25,790
ways with different language and through

2639
01:57:30,370 --> 01:57:28,280
different methods and so I would say

2640
01:57:32,530 --> 01:57:30,380
stick to your guns and don't let a few

2641
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:32,540
bad apples who don't get invited to big

2642
01:57:36,910 --> 01:57:33,920
conferences anymore ruin this thing

2643
01:57:40,060 --> 01:57:36,920
thank you so much Mike thank you John

2644
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:40,070
John welcome to the community and your

2645
01:57:45,070 --> 01:57:42,800
your level-headedness will always

2646
01:57:45,820 --> 01:57:45,080
prevail but you still look like an FBI

2647
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:45,830
agent

2648
01:57:48,910 --> 01:57:47,090
you're never going to get you're never

2649
01:57:50,050 --> 01:57:48,920
going to shake it thank you so much John

2650
01:57:52,420 --> 01:57:50,060
thank you Mike

2651
01:57:54,370 --> 01:57:52,430
hey guys behave thank you for

2652
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:54,380
participating tonight in our UFO

2653
01:58:01,390 --> 01:57:57,920
Roundtable coming up next coming up next

2654
01:58:05,170 --> 01:58:01,400
Steve Murillo that's right the director

2655
01:58:07,300 --> 01:58:05,180
of you pars and Tom Dan Heiser producer

2656
01:58:08,620 --> 01:58:07,310
of coast to coast a and this is fade to

2657
01:58:12,820 --> 01:58:08,630
black I'm Neil Jimmy Church I'll be

2658
01:58:22,370 --> 01:58:16,010
five divided by alpha DeMint god on TV

2659
01:58:25,189 --> 01:58:22,380
church radio car this is kg are a

2660
01:58:29,900 --> 01:58:25,199
digital broadcasting station Salt Lake

2661
01:58:31,790 --> 01:58:29,910
City Utah man Buren Arkansas okay nurse

2662
01:58:33,919 --> 01:58:31,800
let's get this man for the ER staff

2663
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2664
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2666
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2667
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2668
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2672
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2673
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2680
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2711
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2712
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:34,570
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2713
02:00:50,820 --> 02:00:46,690
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2714
02:00:52,260 --> 02:00:50,830
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2715
02:00:55,110 --> 02:00:52,270
ponies I'm serious

2716
02:00:59,340 --> 02:00:55,120
I couldn't stay sane without poor mr.

2717
02:01:05,820 --> 02:00:59,350
Bush why fade to black because you never

2718
02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:05,830
got that pony damn it this is fade to

2719
02:01:08,250 --> 02:01:06,130
black

2720
02:01:11,940 --> 02:01:08,260
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2721
02:01:14,340 --> 02:01:11,950
radio network and kgr a the global radio

2722
02:01:25,910 --> 02:01:14,350
alliance

2723
02:01:30,450 --> 02:01:28,500
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

2724
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:30,460
your host Jimmy Church you can follow me

2725
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:33,570
on twitter @ JT radio simple enough

2726
02:01:42,210 --> 02:01:38,050
tonight is our community roundtable and

2727
02:01:45,870 --> 02:01:42,220
we are discussing has the UFO community

2728
02:01:49,290 --> 02:01:45,880
been infiltrated the last three weeks we

2729
02:01:51,930 --> 02:01:49,300
have seen the the fanning of the flames

2730
02:01:54,830 --> 02:01:51,940
from a few individuals and groups that

2731
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:54,840
have been pointed at a wide variety of

2732
02:02:01,800 --> 02:01:57,850
groups and people and organizations and

2733
02:02:03,450 --> 02:02:01,810
networks in our own community and what

2734
02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:03,460
do we do about it have we been

2735
02:02:09,630 --> 02:02:05,710
infiltrated that's the question tonight

2736
02:02:12,450 --> 02:02:09,640
I put together the 10 best brightest and

2737
02:02:15,150 --> 02:02:12,460
most respected members of our community

2738
02:02:18,330 --> 02:02:15,160
to help us get through and discuss this

2739
02:02:21,210 --> 02:02:18,340
very important issue now next on the

2740
02:02:22,820 --> 02:02:21,220
show I have from you parse the director

2741
02:02:27,210 --> 02:02:22,830
of you pars here in Los Angeles

2742
02:02:30,660 --> 02:02:27,220
Steve Murillo is here and Tom Dan Heiser

2743
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:30,670
producer of coast to coast am and I'm

2744
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:33,010
going to try to direct this for her to

2745
02:02:38,700 --> 02:02:35,290
say good evening tom I know you've got a

2746
02:02:40,170 --> 02:02:38,710
show to do tonight with George and thank

2747
02:02:43,170 --> 02:02:40,180
you for taking the time to come on with

2748
02:02:44,550 --> 02:02:43,180
us tonight how are you Jimmy thank you

2749
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:44,560
very much and I just want to know am I

2750
02:02:49,620 --> 02:02:46,690
now an official state or not yes you are

2751
02:02:52,380 --> 02:02:49,630
you dude went when you when you knocked

2752
02:02:56,490 --> 02:02:52,390
back that tequila on New Year's Eve over

2753
02:02:58,530 --> 02:02:56,500
at the house that were official pattern

2754
02:03:00,870 --> 02:02:58,540
up about April and you know what's funny

2755
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:00,880
I just realized

2756
02:03:05,730 --> 02:03:04,090
Steve Murillo Steve good evening good

2757
02:03:08,940 --> 02:03:05,740
evening Jimmy can you hear me okay yeah

2758
02:03:10,980 --> 02:03:08,950
we got you we got you they say Steve was

2759
02:03:13,590 --> 02:03:10,990
at that dinner that night and you guys

2760
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:13,600
knocked back tequila together so here we

2761
02:03:20,730 --> 02:03:17,250
are yes we did here we are tonight and

2762
02:03:23,070 --> 02:03:20,740
now tom has got a show to do tonight

2763
02:03:25,540 --> 02:03:23,080
with George and by the way how was

2764
02:03:28,810 --> 02:03:25,550
George feeling Tom

2765
02:03:31,090 --> 02:03:28,820
oh he cracked a tooth or did something

2766
02:03:32,650 --> 02:03:31,100
but he's fine so is it okay he's not

2767
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:32,660
heavily medicated he's going to make it

2768
02:03:37,540 --> 02:03:35,690
through coast tonight well he will now

2769
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:37,550
but when I walked in today I said hey

2770
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:41,450
George anyway I look good medicine well

2771
02:03:47,230 --> 02:03:45,050
which is why George Toby - you know said

2772
02:03:49,510 --> 02:03:47,240
earlier tonight that I love to come on

2773
02:03:49,930 --> 02:03:49,520
the show and I can't talk and it's kind

2774
02:03:52,780 --> 02:03:49,940
of funny

2775
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:52,790
so Tom thank you for taking the time

2776
02:03:57,940 --> 02:03:56,090
tonight you have been part of the UFO

2777
02:04:00,820 --> 02:03:57,950
community of course been you know a

2778
02:04:04,050 --> 02:04:00,830
producer for coast to coast am for a

2779
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:04,060
very very very long time you've seen

2780
02:04:10,540 --> 02:04:07,250
everything in this community and so has

2781
02:04:12,580 --> 02:04:10,550
Steve but for you the this last three

2782
02:04:14,110 --> 02:04:12,590
weeks it's been kind of crazy what do

2783
02:04:17,710 --> 02:04:14,120
you think is actually going on and

2784
02:04:19,870 --> 02:04:17,720
motivating all of this negativity well

2785
02:04:21,550 --> 02:04:19,880
first of all I want to tell you how

2786
02:04:23,020 --> 02:04:21,560
closed-minded you have to be if you

2787
02:04:25,330 --> 02:04:23,030
don't know that life exists in the

2788
02:04:27,940 --> 02:04:25,340
universe it's not just about us I mean

2789
02:04:29,980 --> 02:04:27,950
you know give me a break but I think you

2790
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:29,990
know I was risking I agree with what you

2791
02:04:34,780 --> 02:04:31,850
said earlier you said negativity will

2792
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,790
never change your mind and I know what

2793
02:04:38,740 --> 02:04:36,560
I've seen and what I've witnessed I've

2794
02:04:41,140 --> 02:04:38,750
been out with fasiq I'm not good on

2795
02:04:42,940 --> 02:04:41,150
sightings and and I know what I saw and

2796
02:04:45,490 --> 02:04:42,950
it will not change my mind either and

2797
02:04:47,470 --> 02:04:45,500
you know doing what we showed dealing

2798
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:47,480
with it I've experienced all kinds of

2799
02:04:51,250 --> 02:04:49,010
haters and not just about this subject

2800
02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:51,260
and they're always going to be out there

2801
02:04:56,860 --> 02:04:54,650
but if you let them get to you and alter

2802
02:04:58,930 --> 02:04:56,870
yourself then that's a problem you don't

2803
02:05:02,470 --> 02:04:58,940
want to do that so you just got to talk

2804
02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:02,480
it out and always be and and coming from

2805
02:05:11,290 --> 02:05:07,690
you certainly you have dealt with your

2806
02:05:13,090 --> 02:05:11,300
your your haters out there your trolls

2807
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:13,100
whatever you want to whatever you want

2808
02:05:19,570 --> 02:05:15,530
to call them how do you do you even

2809
02:05:22,150 --> 02:05:19,580
respond anymore well you know what I've

2810
02:05:24,580 --> 02:05:22,160
seen the nastiest stuff about myself

2811
02:05:26,740 --> 02:05:24,590
about George about the show on the

2812
02:05:27,820 --> 02:05:26,750
Internet and you just can't you can't

2813
02:05:30,370 --> 02:05:27,830
respond

2814
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:30,380
listen there's a great quote I want to

2815
02:05:34,060 --> 02:05:32,090
read this to you real quick it says if I

2816
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:34,070
would have listened to the naysayers I

2817
02:05:38,140 --> 02:05:36,170
would still be in the Austrian Alps

2818
02:05:39,100 --> 02:05:38,150
yodeling that's them Arnold

2819
02:05:40,899 --> 02:05:39,110
Schwarzenegger

2820
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:40,909
look how far he's come yeah yeah that's

2821
02:05:44,220 --> 02:05:42,650
a really really fun point that's a

2822
02:05:46,899 --> 02:05:44,230
really good point

2823
02:05:51,100 --> 02:05:46,909
Ahnold just made it into the shot oh

2824
02:05:54,220 --> 02:05:51,110
yeah pretty good Steve now for you you

2825
02:05:56,770 --> 02:05:54,230
you're the director of MUFON LA for 13

2826
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:56,780
years but more so than that and I'm very

2827
02:06:01,439 --> 02:05:59,360
proud when I introduce you in this

2828
02:06:03,729 --> 02:06:01,449
fashion like I have done over the years

2829
02:06:05,950 --> 02:06:03,739
you're a graduate of the United States

2830
02:06:08,410 --> 02:06:05,960
Naval Academy you're a former Marine

2831
02:06:12,040 --> 02:06:08,420
fighter pilot you're your pedigree your

2832
02:06:15,729 --> 02:06:12,050
CV your reputation is second to none and

2833
02:06:19,270 --> 02:06:15,739
you've always stood on on what is right

2834
02:06:22,419 --> 02:06:19,280
but you've also experienced everything

2835
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:22,429
in ufology have you ever seen anything

2836
02:06:26,649 --> 02:06:24,560
like this last three weeks what do you

2837
02:06:28,990 --> 02:06:26,659
think is causing all of these

2838
02:06:33,550 --> 02:06:29,000
individuals and groups to just come

2839
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:33,560
completely unhinged unglued I don't know

2840
02:06:37,689 --> 02:06:35,210
you know I say I think there's a lot of

2841
02:06:40,180 --> 02:06:37,699
pent-up anger out there that's been

2842
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:40,190
going on since okay let's say since

2843
02:06:43,930 --> 02:06:42,050
let's say it's politically motivated a

2844
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:43,940
lot of people didn't get what they were

2845
02:06:49,810 --> 02:06:46,000
we're hoping for wanted and I think

2846
02:06:52,120 --> 02:06:49,820
that's causing a lot of negativity just

2847
02:06:53,919 --> 02:06:52,130
sort of pent up negativity within the

2848
02:06:55,479 --> 02:06:53,929
masses I'm not saying everybody feels

2849
02:06:58,570 --> 02:06:55,489
that way but I think that that's

2850
02:07:00,609 --> 02:06:58,580
certainly part of it the fact of you

2851
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:00,619
have that anonymity when you're on the

2852
02:07:04,540 --> 02:07:02,570
internet when you're trolling you can

2853
02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:04,550
just basically say whatever you want and

2854
02:07:09,459 --> 02:07:07,130
vent that anger and it can be very

2855
02:07:12,459 --> 02:07:09,469
caustic it can come out even worse than

2856
02:07:15,100 --> 02:07:12,469
what you expect what you meant to say

2857
02:07:17,260 --> 02:07:15,110
having said that yet you know are we

2858
02:07:19,090 --> 02:07:17,270
infiltrated have we been infiltrated I

2859
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:19,100
think that that's always been the case

2860
02:07:26,050 --> 02:07:22,730
the subject itself of let's say UFOs

2861
02:07:27,879 --> 02:07:26,060
ufology is has been super secret since

2862
02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:27,889
the beginning let's say take it all the

2863
02:07:33,700 --> 02:07:30,530
way back to Roswell when shortly

2864
02:07:36,970 --> 02:07:33,710
thereafter the CIA was founded to put

2865
02:07:39,310 --> 02:07:36,980
this whole subject under control and

2866
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:39,320
they've done a very effective job in

2867
02:07:44,530 --> 02:07:42,170
that so if you were the CIA and you own

2868
02:07:46,990 --> 02:07:44,540
this subject okay you were in charge of

2869
02:07:48,339 --> 02:07:47,000
controlling this information the first

2870
02:07:50,140 --> 02:07:48,349
thing you're going to do is infiltrate

2871
02:07:52,750 --> 02:07:50,150
just about any organization out there

2872
02:07:55,689 --> 02:07:52,760
and certainly the public organizations

2873
02:08:00,339 --> 02:07:55,699
are easy to infiltrate MUFON NICAP

2874
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:00,349
before that NICAP fell maybe because of

2875
02:08:05,919 --> 02:08:04,610
infiltration and you know you're going

2876
02:08:06,910 --> 02:08:05,929
to do that you're going to listen and

2877
02:08:09,790 --> 02:08:06,920
you're going to watch and you're going

2878
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:09,800
to control the narrative to whatever

2879
02:08:13,540 --> 02:08:11,840
degree you want to and I think that

2880
02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:13,550
that's been done effectively by the CIA

2881
02:08:19,029 --> 02:08:16,730
and other operatives and and there we

2882
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:19,039
are it's the most closely guarded secret

2883
02:08:24,879 --> 02:08:23,210
that has hit humanity in modern age and

2884
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:24,889
it's going to be controlled and

2885
02:08:31,029 --> 02:08:27,050
protected by those who control and

2886
02:08:33,310 --> 02:08:31,039
protect it to the end and so but I don't

2887
02:08:35,229 --> 02:08:33,320
know what's causing the the negativity

2888
02:08:37,299 --> 02:08:35,239
here you know I think it might be

2889
02:08:38,919 --> 02:08:37,309
spurious maybe it was like a spark that

2890
02:08:41,439 --> 02:08:38,929
set off a flame and now it's exploding

2891
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:41,449
like a powder keg that might be part of

2892
02:08:47,439 --> 02:08:44,239
it and and Tom for you

2893
02:08:49,479 --> 02:08:47,449
obviously you're booking guests you you

2894
02:08:52,149 --> 02:08:49,489
speak with researchers and authors and

2895
02:08:54,660 --> 02:08:52,159
contactees and everything from ghosts

2896
02:08:58,120 --> 02:08:54,670
and the paranormal to the Fed and and

2897
02:09:00,759 --> 02:08:58,130
and and and politics and the

2898
02:09:04,990 --> 02:09:00,769
military-industrial complex all the way

2899
02:09:09,129 --> 02:09:05,000
over into ufology and contactees but is

2900
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:09,139
it your job not only as a producer but

2901
02:09:16,350 --> 02:09:13,280
you know for the the largest a show of

2902
02:09:21,549 --> 02:09:16,360
its kind in the world is it your job to

2903
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:21,559
vet or discredit somebody no not a lot

2904
02:09:26,649 --> 02:09:23,840
my job is to put out the subject matter

2905
02:09:29,140 --> 02:09:26,659
and let you guys decide I'm not either

2906
02:09:30,759 --> 02:09:29,150
way bending either way but I think most

2907
02:09:33,129 --> 02:09:30,769
of this negative is for me the

2908
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:33,139
negativity comes from jealousy there's

2909
02:09:37,120 --> 02:09:35,119
so many people out there doing such

2910
02:09:39,370 --> 02:09:37,130
great work in the world of ethology and

2911
02:09:41,379 --> 02:09:39,380
these people that spit this stuff out

2912
02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:41,389
they're just the jealous because they're

2913
02:09:46,959 --> 02:09:44,090
not in the thick of it they just they

2914
02:09:49,899 --> 02:09:46,969
can't weave their selves into it and the

2915
02:09:51,970 --> 02:09:49,909
jealousy comes out and why do you think

2916
02:09:56,140 --> 02:09:51,980
that is Larsen yeah yeah yeah why do you

2917
02:09:59,919 --> 02:09:56,150
think that is it seems to be and it

2918
02:10:01,629 --> 02:09:59,929
surfaces quite a bit in in ufology but

2919
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:01,639
why do you think it's soap relevant in

2920
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:04,400
in our community I

2921
02:10:08,590 --> 02:10:07,010
was warned about this you know years and

2922
02:10:12,340 --> 02:10:08,600
years and years ago and I was like nah

2923
02:10:14,919 --> 02:10:12,350
and I just hear doubt I was like I can't

2924
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:14,929
believe that this stuff actually goes on

2925
02:10:20,860 --> 02:10:19,280
why did jealousy in ufology Tom well

2926
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:20,870
because if you're if you're someone who

2927
02:10:24,820 --> 02:10:22,850
let's say has nothing to do in their

2928
02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:24,830
life okay and you're sitting around and

2929
02:10:28,060 --> 02:10:26,330
night after night you're listening to

2930
02:10:29,860 --> 02:10:28,070
your show you're listening to close to

2931
02:10:33,220 --> 02:10:29,870
coast you're healing hearing all this

2932
02:10:36,340 --> 02:10:33,230
cool stuff that's being uncovered and

2933
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:36,350
and and just the amount of progress

2934
02:10:41,169 --> 02:10:39,650
that's being made in ufology and you

2935
02:10:43,180 --> 02:10:41,179
keep hearing that it's just like blammo

2936
02:10:44,380 --> 02:10:43,190
out you and a few you know what's phases

2937
02:10:46,180 --> 02:10:44,390
you're sitting around and you're kind of

2938
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:46,190
a loser you're going to think of

2939
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:47,810
something that's going to amuse you and

2940
02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:50,330
you know which Ellison comes out aid all

2941
02:10:54,910 --> 02:10:52,370
the amused let me split this out there

2942
02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:54,920
and he what kind of a drawback we can

2943
02:10:59,080 --> 02:10:57,290
get so you think it's about yeah yeah

2944
02:11:03,760 --> 02:10:59,090
yeah you think it's about clicks likes

2945
02:11:06,070 --> 02:11:03,770
and subscribers I do and the payoff for

2946
02:11:08,649 --> 02:11:06,080
them is when you act upon if you don't

2947
02:11:12,010 --> 02:11:08,659
let this stuff get to you if you stay

2948
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:12,020
positive move forward learn more stuff

2949
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:14,239
keep learning about the subject in this

2950
02:11:18,340 --> 02:11:16,159
case you followed you it's going to

2951
02:11:19,780 --> 02:11:18,350
that's how you top them because they're

2952
02:11:21,610 --> 02:11:19,790
not going to get any satisfaction from

2953
02:11:23,770 --> 02:11:21,620
the jealousy that they're spilling I'm

2954
02:11:27,729 --> 02:11:23,780
going to throw that same question out

2955
02:11:29,950 --> 02:11:27,739
over over to you Steve why the why we

2956
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:29,960
had I agree with Tom I'm just wondering

2957
02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:32,690
if you ever do I think there are other

2958
02:11:36,189 --> 02:11:34,370
aspects to it I agree with Tom that

2959
02:11:38,410 --> 02:11:36,199
there are those who are just sitting

2960
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:38,420
back on the sidelines and watching

2961
02:11:42,870 --> 02:11:39,920
things and not really having any power

2962
02:11:45,459 --> 02:11:42,880
or doing any actual research but also

2963
02:11:47,979 --> 02:11:45,469
some of the researchers that we've come

2964
02:11:49,689 --> 02:11:47,989
across want to see that they're they

2965
02:11:51,160 --> 02:11:49,699
have the answer they're the only one you

2966
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:51,170
know what I mean those types of people

2967
02:11:56,229 --> 02:11:54,320
if somebody in ufology says I've got the

2968
02:11:58,780 --> 02:11:56,239
answer and I know exactly what's going

2969
02:12:03,040 --> 02:11:58,790
on that's the exact person you should

2970
02:12:04,209 --> 02:12:03,050
turn a walk away from for example I'm

2971
02:12:07,660 --> 02:12:04,219
not going to name his name but the guy

2972
02:12:10,810 --> 02:12:07,670
does Billy Myers advocate he says he's

2973
02:12:13,510 --> 02:12:10,820
got the only answer okay now there's

2974
02:12:15,939 --> 02:12:13,520
another guy who's very popular he's a

2975
02:12:17,150 --> 02:12:15,949
doctor medicine or what and he says he

2976
02:12:19,730 --> 02:12:17,160
got the answer

2977
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:19,740
and and they have followers and those

2978
02:12:24,620 --> 02:12:22,530
followers will then you know because

2979
02:12:26,570 --> 02:12:24,630
they're followers you hate on other

2980
02:12:28,280 --> 02:12:26,580
groups and then you have this infighting

2981
02:12:30,500 --> 02:12:28,290
thing going on as well so it's not just

2982
02:12:34,100 --> 02:12:30,510
even the people on the sidelines but

2983
02:12:35,870 --> 02:12:34,110
sometimes researchers there's also you

2984
02:12:38,270 --> 02:12:35,880
know let's say let's say one researcher

2985
02:12:40,850 --> 02:12:38,280
is kind of slow and yet and they derived

2986
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:40,860
some of their income from the circuit

2987
02:12:44,180 --> 02:12:42,480
let's say speaking on the circuit and

2988
02:12:46,310 --> 02:12:44,190
they don't have any new material and

2989
02:12:48,230 --> 02:12:46,320
somebody else has come across something

2990
02:12:49,940 --> 02:12:48,240
new there's that jealousy that Tom

2991
02:12:53,300 --> 02:12:49,950
mentioned earlier that comes out and

2992
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:53,310
they attack and it's a shame it's human

2993
02:12:58,490 --> 02:12:55,440
nature and I think it's going to always

2994
02:13:00,620 --> 02:12:58,500
be there but we have to guard against it

2995
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:00,630
you know a true researcher has to keep

2996
02:13:05,930 --> 02:13:02,970
an open mind and be willing to accept

2997
02:13:09,140 --> 02:13:05,940
and consider just about any idea because

2998
02:13:12,710 --> 02:13:09,150
the truth of this phenomenon is that it

2999
02:13:15,860 --> 02:13:12,720
it is it is fluid and it shifts and

3000
02:13:17,570 --> 02:13:15,870
changes almost in a deceptive way so you

3001
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:17,580
have to be willing to flow with it and

3002
02:13:21,950 --> 02:13:19,920
go with new information and explore it

3003
02:13:24,410 --> 02:13:21,960
to its end and find and figure out if

3004
02:13:26,900 --> 02:13:24,420
it's if it works for you or not it fits

3005
02:13:29,780 --> 02:13:26,910
the paradigm or not you always have to

3006
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:29,790
have that open mind and without that you

3007
02:13:35,540 --> 02:13:31,290
end up with this infighting thing in

3008
02:13:37,370 --> 02:13:35,550
this negativity again so yeah Lance yeah

3009
02:13:39,710 --> 02:13:37,380
and isn't and Tom I'm going to throw

3010
02:13:41,570 --> 02:13:39,720
this over to you and I do know that you

3011
02:13:45,260 --> 02:13:41,580
bud you've got to run you've got a show

3012
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:45,270
to do tonight but if we can't have an

3013
02:13:51,740 --> 02:13:49,010
open dialogue and open conversation with

3014
02:13:54,230 --> 02:13:51,750
everybody's experiences and information

3015
02:13:57,380 --> 02:13:54,240
in our community we can't have it

3016
02:13:59,680 --> 02:13:57,390
anywhere can we no not at all and that

3017
02:14:02,630 --> 02:13:59,690
makes you dead you know I know a lot of

3018
02:14:04,220 --> 02:14:02,640
ecologists and a lot of smart people and

3019
02:14:07,310 --> 02:14:04,230
good researchers and I don't thinking

3020
02:14:10,250 --> 02:14:07,320
one of them would say I know at all I've

3021
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:10,260
got the total answer and so yes Jim

3022
02:14:14,450 --> 02:14:11,970
you're correct you need to listen and

3023
02:14:15,950 --> 02:14:14,460
have dialogue and keep learning and by

3024
02:14:21,710 --> 02:14:15,960
the way if someone does tell you they

3025
02:14:23,330 --> 02:14:21,720
know it I'll stay away hey Tom Tom I

3026
02:14:26,810 --> 02:14:23,340
know you've got a show to do tonight

3027
02:14:28,700 --> 02:14:26,820
give a give our best to to George and

3028
02:14:29,450 --> 02:14:28,710
and who do you guys have on tonight by

3029
02:14:31,950 --> 02:14:29,460
the way

3030
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:31,960
we well the first half we're going to

3031
02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:33,850
talk to Matt Stein and he's going to

3032
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:36,370
talk about billionaires who stockpile

3033
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:39,010
land for survival retreats so that'll be

3034
02:14:40,830 --> 02:14:39,610
interesting

3035
02:14:42,780 --> 02:14:40,840
oh and then we're going to go to Billy

3036
02:14:44,610 --> 02:14:42,790
Carson and talk about et life in the

3037
02:14:46,979 --> 02:14:44,620
cover up that's what I'm talking about

3038
02:14:50,070 --> 02:14:46,989
Tom you have a great view you have a

3039
02:14:53,970 --> 02:14:50,080
great show tonight go to work and thank

3040
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:53,980
you for being a good dad longer you

3041
02:14:58,530 --> 02:14:56,890
gotta Tommy Tommy Dan Heiser you know

3042
02:15:01,880 --> 02:14:58,540
it's really funny they go on the air

3043
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:01,890
here in 40 minutes and he just took out

3044
02:15:07,919 --> 02:15:05,050
you know 17 minutes to hang out here

3045
02:15:10,169 --> 02:15:07,929
which is a very very very important

3046
02:15:13,260 --> 02:15:10,179
subject to us all and I just want to say

3047
02:15:15,270 --> 02:15:13,270
thank you Tom and yeah George wanted to

3048
02:15:17,700 --> 02:15:15,280
be here tonight everybody he literally

3049
02:15:21,330 --> 02:15:17,710
had some pretty crazy dental work done

3050
02:15:23,939 --> 02:15:21,340
today and he just he could if he could

3051
02:15:25,650 --> 02:15:23,949
have he would have been here and he

3052
02:15:29,100 --> 02:15:25,660
wanted me to tell everybody hello okay

3053
02:15:33,450 --> 02:15:29,110
so uh back to you Steve the thing that

3054
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:33,460
you have done over the years is you have

3055
02:15:37,220 --> 02:15:36,610
done monthly presentations every single

3056
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:37,230
month

3057
02:15:41,790 --> 02:15:39,520
conferences little micro mini

3058
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:41,800
conferences you know of a hundred other

3059
02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:44,320
people every single month and you have

3060
02:15:50,310 --> 02:15:47,650
had every type I've attended many oh

3061
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:50,320
I've spoken at many of them yep and

3062
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:53,770
you've had every type of a presenter

3063
02:15:59,520 --> 02:15:56,890
that you can imagine over there but you

3064
02:16:02,820 --> 02:15:59,530
have also with with that you have to

3065
02:16:05,130 --> 02:16:02,830
step back and listen do you ever do you

3066
02:16:08,630 --> 02:16:05,140
ever pin somebody against the wall or

3067
02:16:12,270 --> 02:16:08,640
question somebody's integrity or message

3068
02:16:13,680 --> 02:16:12,280
no um first of all they're my guests and

3069
02:16:15,959 --> 02:16:13,690
I would never you would never do that

3070
02:16:17,970 --> 02:16:15,969
Jim on your you Andrea you're such

3071
02:16:19,860 --> 02:16:17,980
gracious hosts you would never do that

3072
02:16:21,390 --> 02:16:19,870
to a guest you invite into your home

3073
02:16:24,540 --> 02:16:21,400
right and it's the same way with our

3074
02:16:27,780 --> 02:16:24,550
meetings you know I and I have had

3075
02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:27,790
people that were I'm like uh I don't say

3076
02:16:32,910 --> 02:16:30,370
it I'm thinking it I'm thinking uh not

3077
02:16:33,929 --> 02:16:32,920
enough information to really to support

3078
02:16:35,940 --> 02:16:33,939
that but okay

3079
02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:35,950
you know and you leave it up to the

3080
02:16:40,290 --> 02:16:38,530
audience into your people to make the

3081
02:16:42,570 --> 02:16:40,300
decision for themselves again you

3082
02:16:42,969 --> 02:16:42,580
present the information and then it's

3083
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:42,979
our

3084
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:45,920
job as researchers and and interested

3085
02:16:50,379 --> 02:16:48,170
people to sift through that information

3086
02:16:52,839 --> 02:16:50,389
and take what what we can use what

3087
02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:52,849
agrees with us what resonates and then

3088
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:54,319
and then throughout you know leave the

3089
02:16:59,200 --> 02:16:56,960
rest alone so ya know I would never I

3090
02:17:00,910 --> 02:16:59,210
never do that I would never pin somebody

3091
02:17:02,439 --> 02:17:00,920
against the wall I've been tempted on

3092
02:17:03,969 --> 02:17:02,449
occasion but it just it's just not

3093
02:17:07,799 --> 02:17:03,979
polite you know it's not good for him to

3094
02:17:11,469 --> 02:17:07,809
do something like that and but you know

3095
02:17:13,959 --> 02:17:11,479
again you know whether a person you have

3096
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:13,969
to sort through it sometimes people will

3097
02:17:18,459 --> 02:17:17,090
have a lot of not so much good stuff and

3098
02:17:21,459 --> 02:17:18,469
then all sudden boom they hit you with a

3099
02:17:23,169 --> 02:17:21,469
gem that everybody's jaw just drops to

3100
02:17:25,629 --> 02:17:23,179
the floor like what is that guy's what

3101
02:17:27,309 --> 02:17:25,639
does that person say you know what what

3102
02:17:29,379 --> 02:17:27,319
information did he just pass and let's

3103
02:17:31,059 --> 02:17:29,389
go over that again so you never know

3104
02:17:33,700 --> 02:17:31,069
where it's going to come from and again

3105
02:17:37,540 --> 02:17:33,710
it's back to keeping an open mind to the

3106
02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:37,550
subject and and and you know we're sort

3107
02:17:41,649 --> 02:17:39,710
of a a conglomerate we're sort of like

3108
02:17:44,349 --> 02:17:41,659
this Maps research group you know that's

3109
02:17:46,299 --> 02:17:44,359
trying to sort through a phenomenon a

3110
02:17:48,969 --> 02:17:46,309
subject that's that's almost

3111
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:48,979
intelligently elusive it's almost trying

3112
02:17:53,410 --> 02:17:50,889
to deceive us I think that's sometime

3113
02:17:55,899 --> 02:17:53,420
because you're led down many paths and

3114
02:17:57,879 --> 02:17:55,909
end up in dead ends or that or that

3115
02:17:59,529 --> 02:17:57,889
open up there were they were a dead end

3116
02:18:01,809 --> 02:17:59,539
a year ago or two years ago and also now

3117
02:18:04,209 --> 02:18:01,819
it's open again so I know that's kind of

3118
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:04,219
hard to grasp or not grasp but it

3119
02:18:09,729 --> 02:18:05,599
doesn't make a lot of sense but yet

3120
02:18:12,219 --> 02:18:09,739
that's what I've observed when and so is

3121
02:18:15,459 --> 02:18:12,229
it your if you were going to give advice

3122
02:18:18,009 --> 02:18:15,469
to our community to the listeners right

3123
02:18:21,849 --> 02:18:18,019
now are you suggesting that they have

3124
02:18:25,239 --> 02:18:21,859
that same exact frame of mind - not

3125
02:18:27,580 --> 02:18:25,249
absolutely right right - to maintain the

3126
02:18:30,069 --> 02:18:27,590
open mind and if they're if you're

3127
02:18:33,759 --> 02:18:30,079
questioning anything well then that's

3128
02:18:36,069 --> 02:18:33,769
safe and that's okay too but you must

3129
02:18:37,899 --> 02:18:36,079
log in yeah yeah sorry interrupt Jim

3130
02:18:39,819 --> 02:18:37,909
yeah I don't mean to say that to accept

3131
02:18:42,459 --> 02:18:39,829
everything right I think you have to

3132
02:18:45,879 --> 02:18:42,469
keep an open mind to listen but then

3133
02:18:48,519 --> 02:18:45,889
after you hear you have to investigate

3134
02:18:51,069 --> 02:18:48,529
you have to hunt it down it's something

3135
02:18:54,009 --> 02:18:51,079
of an outlandish meaning a claim is made

3136
02:18:55,170 --> 02:18:54,019
you know allow outlandish claims demand

3137
02:18:57,490 --> 02:18:55,180
a last outlet

3138
02:18:59,260 --> 02:18:57,500
evidence you know you got to hunt it

3139
02:19:01,090 --> 02:18:59,270
down and if you can't produce it you

3140
02:19:04,600 --> 02:19:01,100
can't find it well then you really can't

3141
02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:04,610
you can't hang your hat on it so the

3142
02:19:08,530 --> 02:19:06,080
truth definitely is out there somewhere

3143
02:19:10,690 --> 02:19:08,540
but it may be changing on us always and

3144
02:19:13,930 --> 02:19:10,700
that's the part of it I like you know

3145
02:19:16,121 --> 02:19:13,940
with and with the infiltration that

3146
02:19:17,980 --> 02:19:16,131
you're referring to that has always been

3147
02:19:20,260 --> 02:19:17,990
here in our community and I don't think

3148
02:19:22,060 --> 02:19:20,270
that's ever been questioned but with

3149
02:19:26,230 --> 02:19:22,070
that happening today do you think that

3150
02:19:28,090 --> 02:19:26,240
there's the possibility of some

3151
02:19:30,340 --> 02:19:28,100
mind-control going on here where

3152
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:30,350
everybody was activated at the same time

3153
02:19:38,621 --> 02:19:35,120
and is suddenly of completing their

3154
02:19:42,161 --> 02:19:38,631
mission objective oh man that's a creek

3155
02:19:44,110 --> 02:19:42,171
that's a crazy idea and it but it yet it

3156
02:19:46,180 --> 02:19:44,120
could play that could that could very

3157
02:19:48,911 --> 02:19:46,190
well be the case some sort of MKULTRA

3158
02:19:51,490 --> 02:19:48,921
yes thing going on where all of a sudden

3159
02:19:53,921 --> 02:19:51,500
everybody switched on and and let's go

3160
02:19:56,081 --> 02:19:53,931
for this I was watching YouTube today as

3161
02:19:58,661 --> 02:19:56,091
up and do you know catching up on the

3162
02:20:00,881 --> 02:19:58,671
news and somebody had something about

3163
02:20:03,310 --> 02:20:00,891
Katy Perry flipping out on stage and

3164
02:20:05,110 --> 02:20:03,320
just shutting down and you know I don't

3165
02:20:07,240 --> 02:20:05,120
know I was watching going maybe or maybe

3166
02:20:09,310 --> 02:20:07,250
it was part of the Act I don't know but

3167
02:20:11,291 --> 02:20:09,320
yeah I did what you're saying that there

3168
02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:11,301
could be something like that going on

3169
02:20:16,860 --> 02:20:14,690
certainly and kael true was real we know

3170
02:20:19,961 --> 02:20:16,870
that mind-control experiments and

3171
02:20:21,671 --> 02:20:19,971
mind-control exists and was done again

3172
02:20:26,770 --> 02:20:21,681
by our friends at the CIA and elsewhere

3173
02:20:29,770 --> 02:20:26,780
so yeah certainly a possibility the the

3174
02:20:31,930 --> 02:20:29,780
communities that we have not only move

3175
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:31,940
on but you have you pars and we have

3176
02:20:41,711 --> 02:20:37,370
conferences and these networks and and

3177
02:20:44,770 --> 02:20:41,721
so forth and the negative attacks that

3178
02:20:46,360 --> 02:20:44,780
have been very laser focused on all of

3179
02:20:49,390 --> 02:20:46,370
these different groups and organizations

3180
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:49,400
and networks is any of it going to be

3181
02:20:55,091 --> 02:20:51,530
successful or we just going to continue

3182
02:20:58,690 --> 02:20:55,101
to move on you know it's a good question

3183
02:21:01,451 --> 02:20:58,700
um large organizations tend not to move

3184
02:21:03,841 --> 02:21:01,461
well on their feet so unless you

3185
02:21:07,150 --> 02:21:03,851
perceive the threat for what it is it

3186
02:21:08,831 --> 02:21:07,160
may do its damage before you're able to

3187
02:21:12,881 --> 02:21:08,841
move on it you know

3188
02:21:14,890 --> 02:21:12,891
and that damage may be irreparable it

3189
02:21:17,020 --> 02:21:14,900
almost happened I think recently to

3190
02:21:19,961 --> 02:21:17,030
MUFON you know what I'm talking about

3191
02:21:21,940 --> 02:21:19,971
the right right because they know no

3192
02:21:23,591 --> 02:21:21,950
mama said well yeah yeah yeah the four

3193
02:21:25,091 --> 02:21:23,601
comments that were made but you know the

3194
02:21:27,820 --> 02:21:25,101
director who spawned spotted it

3195
02:21:30,190 --> 02:21:27,830
thankfully hopefully soon enough and was

3196
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:30,200
able to come out publicly against it and

3197
02:21:35,371 --> 02:21:32,570
it was a good he had to do it was a good

3198
02:21:38,921 --> 02:21:35,381
move he I knew he would do it eventually

3199
02:21:40,690 --> 02:21:38,931
and I think he knew you know in time but

3200
02:21:43,051 --> 02:21:40,700
I think if you had waited a little bit

3201
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:43,061
longer it might have been irreparably

3202
02:21:49,121 --> 02:21:45,200
his organization might have been

3203
02:21:54,011 --> 02:21:49,131
irreparable damaged and why why divide

3204
02:21:57,041 --> 02:21:54,021
and conquer the the UFO community it

3205
02:21:59,921 --> 02:21:57,051
just seems to be a victim of this time

3206
02:22:03,281 --> 02:21:59,931
at you know it just it it never stops

3207
02:22:05,261 --> 02:22:03,291
and but it hasn't been successful it

3208
02:22:07,451 --> 02:22:05,271
just hasn't were still we're bigger and

3209
02:22:10,541 --> 02:22:07,461
stronger than we've ever been but yet

3210
02:22:12,371 --> 02:22:10,551
they're these attempts to get people to

3211
02:22:14,320 --> 02:22:12,381
either change their minds or hate

3212
02:22:17,951 --> 02:22:14,330
somebody or hate a subject or hate a

3213
02:22:21,610 --> 02:22:17,961
group or break off and it continues why

3214
02:22:24,011 --> 02:22:21,620
divide and conquer that's the classic

3215
02:22:27,100 --> 02:22:24,021
the classic strategy I think it's being

3216
02:22:30,041 --> 02:22:27,110
done not just to our UFO community but

3217
02:22:32,201 --> 02:22:30,051
to our country so you create a bogeyman

3218
02:22:33,881 --> 02:22:32,211
you create a problem and then you

3219
02:22:36,310 --> 02:22:33,891
provide the solution but that solution

3220
02:22:39,461 --> 02:22:36,320
includes dividing the organization into

3221
02:22:41,650 --> 02:22:39,471
two or three or four factions that that

3222
02:22:44,921 --> 02:22:41,660
you get fighting among themselves right

3223
02:22:46,690 --> 02:22:44,931
so they waste their energy fighting

3224
02:22:48,161 --> 02:22:46,700
among themselves meanwhile misdirected

3225
02:22:50,440 --> 02:22:48,171
and then not paying attention what's

3226
02:22:54,761 --> 02:22:50,450
really going on the true subject the

3227
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:54,771
importance you know and well but why now

3228
02:22:59,320 --> 02:22:57,650
you know why why attach like a why

3229
02:23:02,131 --> 02:22:59,330
attack all once all these different

3230
02:23:03,940 --> 02:23:02,141
groups now I don't know is it because

3231
02:23:07,001 --> 02:23:03,950
disclosures around the corner they're

3232
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:07,011
trying to control that is it which I

3233
02:23:12,310 --> 02:23:10,610
don't think I don't think so um so yeah

3234
02:23:14,381 --> 02:23:12,320
said that would be the only reason that

3235
02:23:15,730 --> 02:23:14,391
I could think of why would I bring down

3236
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:15,740
organizations that are essentially

3237
02:23:22,750 --> 02:23:19,610
powerless like we're never okay let me

3238
02:23:24,639 --> 02:23:22,760
get Mike Mike my two cents on

3239
02:23:28,300 --> 02:23:24,649
closure I don't think that will ever

3240
02:23:32,110 --> 02:23:28,310
force disclosure disclosure will happen

3241
02:23:34,330 --> 02:23:32,120
only because um of the alien presence

3242
02:23:37,480 --> 02:23:34,340
yet you know the phenomena wants it to

3243
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:37,490
happen or and that's about the only way

3244
02:23:40,950 --> 02:23:38,810
it's going to happen because the people

3245
02:23:43,599 --> 02:23:40,960
that are controlling the information now

3246
02:23:45,099 --> 02:23:43,609
basically control everything I mean if

3247
02:23:47,860 --> 02:23:45,109
you look at the narrative they've been

3248
02:23:50,139 --> 02:23:47,870
controlling in our country creating a

3249
02:23:52,090 --> 02:23:50,149
bogeyman you know before the election

3250
02:23:55,809 --> 02:23:52,100
I'm going political here but it's a good

3251
02:23:58,929 --> 02:23:55,819
example of this so you're the first the

3252
02:24:01,389 --> 02:23:58,939
first boogeyman is his emails you know

3253
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:01,399
and then the second boogeyman is the

3254
02:24:08,139 --> 02:24:04,490
Russia hack right and then then Russia

3255
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:08,149
collusion and you know on and on and it

3256
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:11,359
will continue so you create this

3257
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:14,479
bogeyman and then you divide the country

3258
02:24:19,150 --> 02:24:17,120
you get them fighting and everybody's

3259
02:24:22,809 --> 02:24:19,160
paying attention to the lot the latest

3260
02:24:25,330 --> 02:24:22,819
you know boogeyman out there so you know

3261
02:24:28,450 --> 02:24:25,340
even even so far as to create false

3262
02:24:32,590 --> 02:24:28,460
Flags that end up violent and and and

3263
02:24:35,230 --> 02:24:32,600
lives are lost so it's unfortunate but

3264
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:35,240
that you know their tactics are you know

3265
02:24:39,480 --> 02:24:37,490
to the death they don't care so the

3266
02:24:41,860 --> 02:24:39,490
people controlling this information

3267
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:41,870
control those types of people you know

3268
02:24:45,160 --> 02:24:42,319
what I mean

3269
02:24:48,130 --> 02:24:45,170
which isn't the most important topic of

3270
02:24:49,090 --> 02:24:48,140
our lifetimes and of our you know our

3271
02:24:52,630 --> 02:24:49,100
great-grandkids

3272
02:24:55,870 --> 02:24:52,640
lifetimes did the topic of ufology the

3273
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:55,880
topic of UFOs the topic of free energy

3274
02:25:00,010 --> 02:24:58,160
and that's ultimately what's at stake

3275
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:00,020
because it's a paradigm shift in how

3276
02:25:06,130 --> 02:25:03,770
this world will will operate all of the

3277
02:25:08,380 --> 02:25:06,140
big fat cats right now to control oil

3278
02:25:09,790 --> 02:25:08,390
money war they're all put out of

3279
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:09,800
business as soon as this information

3280
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:11,600
comes out and they are the ones that

3281
02:25:15,580 --> 02:25:14,090
control the world they control the

3282
02:25:17,260 --> 02:25:15,590
information they control the media they

3283
02:25:19,900 --> 02:25:17,270
can therefore they control the minds of

3284
02:25:22,120 --> 02:25:19,910
the people right and once once this

3285
02:25:23,800 --> 02:25:22,130
information comes out it's game over for

3286
02:25:26,110 --> 02:25:23,810
them they're out of a job they're out of

3287
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:26,120
business they lose everything they've

3288
02:25:31,240 --> 02:25:28,010
lost control and they're no longer the

3289
02:25:32,620 --> 02:25:31,250
elite and that's what that's what they

3290
02:25:36,219 --> 02:25:32,630
say that's what they fear that's what

3291
02:25:38,349 --> 02:25:36,229
they're fighting against so you know get

3292
02:25:41,079 --> 02:25:38,359
if they can control a country and its

3293
02:25:43,300 --> 02:25:41,089
election and its political views simply

3294
02:25:45,880 --> 02:25:43,310
through manipulation of the media do you

3295
02:25:47,559 --> 02:25:45,890
have do you think for one second that

3296
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:47,569
they would let this cat out of the bag

3297
02:25:52,510 --> 02:25:50,479
if they could if they can control it not

3298
02:25:55,300 --> 02:25:52,520
for a second not for a second it'll

3299
02:25:58,179 --> 02:25:55,310
never come out disclosure will never be

3300
02:26:01,389 --> 02:25:58,189
forced by the public out I don't think

3301
02:26:02,979 --> 02:26:01,399
then they come upon it on our own but it

3302
02:26:06,369 --> 02:26:02,989
will never be forced out of their hand

3303
02:26:10,029 --> 02:26:06,379
that's very interesting Steve and we

3304
02:26:14,619 --> 02:26:10,039
have 60 seconds so quick question quick

3305
02:26:17,170 --> 02:26:14,629
answer they get links in my email or

3306
02:26:19,449 --> 02:26:17,180
whatever Twitter you know whatever I get

3307
02:26:21,279 --> 02:26:19,459
living facebook or I get people sending

3308
02:26:22,929 --> 02:26:21,289
me links all day long check this out

3309
02:26:26,079 --> 02:26:22,939
check this out check out this video

3310
02:26:27,909 --> 02:26:26,089
first off I never click on any links I

3311
02:26:29,859 --> 02:26:27,919
don't do it I have that discipline I

3312
02:26:36,269 --> 02:26:29,869
don't watch it I don't care I don't have

3313
02:26:41,949 --> 02:26:36,279
time but water why why do people use

3314
02:26:45,550 --> 02:26:41,959
YouTube as as vetted fact you know some

3315
02:26:49,420 --> 02:26:45,560
Yahoo some Yahoo on YouTube presenting

3316
02:26:51,880 --> 02:26:49,430
some crazy video with this great debt

3317
02:26:52,840 --> 02:26:51,890
what why how have we become that

3318
02:26:54,609 --> 02:26:52,850
acclimated

3319
02:26:57,189 --> 02:26:54,619
why does not do it I really don't know

3320
02:26:59,739 --> 02:26:57,199
how much how much poor CGI have you

3321
02:27:01,809 --> 02:26:59,749
watched on YouTube check out this UFO oh

3322
02:27:04,689 --> 02:27:01,819
god this is RIT you know and you look at

3323
02:27:06,939 --> 02:27:04,699
your men that's not even good CGI wrong

3324
02:27:08,949 --> 02:27:06,949
yes it's not even that there there's

3325
02:27:13,659 --> 02:27:08,959
that of course that's obvious but it's

3326
02:27:16,989 --> 02:27:13,669
other debunking or false flag research

3327
02:27:21,039 --> 02:27:16,999
or in resenting this list of facts that

3328
02:27:22,749 --> 02:27:21,049
is completely unfettered of most of it

3329
02:27:26,109 --> 02:27:22,759
just made up right it's fantastical

3330
02:27:29,050 --> 02:27:26,119
right I'll watch it and and it's like

3331
02:27:33,819 --> 02:27:29,060
they're reading the Bible and they don't

3332
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:33,829
yeah why I think we're programmed to do

3333
02:27:37,510 --> 02:27:35,600
that Jimmy I mean look you and I were

3334
02:27:40,119 --> 02:27:37,520
raised through the age of television

3335
02:27:41,859 --> 02:27:40,129
right before the key before cable there

3336
02:27:43,779 --> 02:27:41,869
was just television right and that was

3337
02:27:45,550 --> 02:27:43,789
our entertainment yeah I mean you know

3338
02:27:46,910 --> 02:27:45,560
we watched you Lube to beaver and all

3339
02:27:48,920 --> 02:27:46,920
those shows and

3340
02:27:51,740 --> 02:27:48,930
and believed walter kronkite because he

3341
02:27:54,250 --> 02:27:51,750
was whatever he said was gold you could

3342
02:27:57,469 --> 02:27:54,260
take it to the bank almost right we're

3343
02:28:01,309 --> 02:27:57,479
programmed to believe what we see on TV

3344
02:28:03,500 --> 02:28:01,319
to what you see on video and that that

3345
02:28:05,809 --> 02:28:03,510
programming has continued through our

3346
02:28:07,719 --> 02:28:05,819
culture to our children we passed it on

3347
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:07,729
to our kids and our grandkids now and

3348
02:28:11,719 --> 02:28:10,050
now they're on YouTube but it's

3349
02:28:14,170 --> 02:28:11,729
basically the same media you know it's

3350
02:28:17,360 --> 02:28:14,180
video and of course there's all these

3351
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:17,370
true stuff about you know changing these

3352
02:28:21,649 --> 02:28:19,290
a frequency of the framerate and all

3353
02:28:24,740 --> 02:28:21,659
that so that you become mesmerizing

3354
02:28:26,330 --> 02:28:24,750
you're more easily you know you're

3355
02:28:28,820 --> 02:28:26,340
gullible basically you know you're

3356
02:28:30,649 --> 02:28:28,830
influenced by what you see on TV stay

3357
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:30,659
they found ways to make that message go

3358
02:28:37,189 --> 02:28:34,170
real easy Steve with that my friend go

3359
02:28:39,860 --> 02:28:37,199
back to your evening thank you so much

3360
02:28:42,620 --> 02:28:39,870
you just know that is just a beautiful

3361
02:28:44,990 --> 02:28:42,630
voice in ufology thank you my friend and

3362
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:45,000
for taking time out of your evening very

3363
02:28:50,059 --> 02:28:47,520
important conversation tonight that is a

3364
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:50,069
Steve Murillo director of mu pars and of

3365
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:53,520
course Tom Dan Heiser producer of coast

3366
02:28:59,149 --> 02:28:55,770
to coast am coming up next director of

3367
02:29:02,389 --> 02:28:59,159
MUFON Jan Harrison and the director of

3368
02:29:03,380 --> 02:29:02,399
the national UFO Reporting Center mr.

3369
02:29:04,729 --> 02:29:03,390
Peter Davenport

3370
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:04,739
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3371
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3372
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3373
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3374
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this my popular opinion reading a book

3375
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Jeter either call Sarah walk around or

3377
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maybe you had a lb spicy meal in the web

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3382
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3440
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3443
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3446
02:33:38,180 --> 02:33:35,700
everybody and I'm just going to come out

3447
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:38,190
and say it saved the best for last

3448
02:33:42,831 --> 02:33:40,170
because now I would like to welcome to

3449
02:33:46,190 --> 02:33:42,841
the program the executive director of

3450
02:33:49,251 --> 02:33:46,200
MUFON Jan Harrison and the director of

3451
02:33:51,801 --> 02:33:49,261
the national UFO Reporting Center the

3452
02:33:53,810 --> 02:33:51,811
one and only mr. Peter Davenport Peter

3453
02:33:56,270 --> 02:33:53,820
I'm going to address you first and say

3454
02:33:58,400 --> 02:33:56,280
welcome to the program how are you Thank

3455
02:34:00,440 --> 02:33:58,410
You Jimmy it's nice to be back and nice

3456
02:34:02,150 --> 02:34:00,450
to be appearing with Jim as well good

3457
02:34:04,041 --> 02:34:02,160
evening to both of you and to our

3458
02:34:06,680 --> 02:34:04,051
audience yeah thank you so much for that

3459
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:06,690
Peter and Jan welcome to the show sir

3460
02:34:13,700 --> 02:34:09,920
how are you very good thank you and

3461
02:34:16,430 --> 02:34:13,710
heated discussions tonight and obviously

3462
02:34:20,180 --> 02:34:16,440
this is very important to our community

3463
02:34:23,390 --> 02:34:20,190
something that isn't addressed often and

3464
02:34:25,791 --> 02:34:23,400
certainly not often enough but Jan I'm

3465
02:34:28,041 --> 02:34:25,801
going to throw this over to you first if

3466
02:34:30,020 --> 02:34:28,051
you don't mind Peter Jan is the old guy

3467
02:34:34,551 --> 02:34:30,030
in the room right now okay so let's give

3468
02:34:38,541 --> 02:34:34,561
it to Jan Jan the last three weeks

3469
02:34:41,900 --> 02:34:38,551
for you you've been a part of this and

3470
02:34:45,200 --> 02:34:41,910
it is a slice of a pie that's been cut

3471
02:34:47,780 --> 02:34:45,210
up it's been directed this this upheaval

3472
02:34:49,640 --> 02:34:47,790
and negativity has been directed at a

3473
02:34:53,270 --> 02:34:49,650
few different organizations and

3474
02:34:56,841 --> 02:34:53,280
individuals too and move on as part of

3475
02:34:59,511 --> 02:34:56,851
that what do you think is going on right

3476
02:35:02,450 --> 02:34:59,521
now in the community and how is move on

3477
02:35:03,950 --> 02:35:02,460
addressing it well I think that you know

3478
02:35:06,620 --> 02:35:03,960
there's been a lot of craziness the last

3479
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:06,630
few weeks and honestly I think people

3480
02:35:12,591 --> 02:35:10,170
just need to really calm down and think

3481
02:35:14,541 --> 02:35:12,601
before they speak we seem to be in a

3482
02:35:16,970 --> 02:35:14,551
society where people feel that they can

3483
02:35:18,980 --> 02:35:16,980
put all their emotions on on social

3484
02:35:20,541 --> 02:35:18,990
media and everybody else is supposed to

3485
02:35:23,240 --> 02:35:20,551
listen to them but I think if we're

3486
02:35:24,849 --> 02:35:23,250
thoughtful about what we're doing if we

3487
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:24,859
think before we speak

3488
02:35:29,410 --> 02:35:26,960
there's a little acronym think which is

3489
02:35:31,240 --> 02:35:29,420
make sure that it's true make sure that

3490
02:35:31,900 --> 02:35:31,250
it's helpful make sure that it's

3491
02:35:34,690 --> 02:35:31,910
inspiring

3492
02:35:36,700 --> 02:35:34,700
make sure it's necessary and make sure

3493
02:35:38,620 --> 02:35:36,710
it is kind if it's not one of those five

3494
02:35:42,190 --> 02:35:38,630
things then you probably shouldn't be

3495
02:35:43,540 --> 02:35:42,200
saying it Peter you have you been doing

3496
02:35:45,940 --> 02:35:43,550
this for a long time and I'm going to

3497
02:35:49,570 --> 02:35:45,950
say thank you from our entire community

3498
02:35:53,770 --> 02:35:49,580
for everything that you do and continue

3499
02:35:56,290 --> 02:35:53,780
to do Jimmy an the same goes to Jen ours

3500
02:35:58,179 --> 02:35:56,300
and all the MUFON folks they they work

3501
02:36:01,570 --> 02:35:58,189
very hard to there's no question about

3502
02:36:05,620 --> 02:36:01,580
that and you have you have seen the ebb

3503
02:36:09,639 --> 02:36:05,630
and flow of negativity and attacks and

3504
02:36:12,730 --> 02:36:09,649
infiltration and and disinfo over the

3505
02:36:16,120 --> 02:36:12,740
years have you ever seen anything that

3506
02:36:19,179 --> 02:36:16,130
quite this crazy over this you know this

3507
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:19,189
last month or so and do you think that l

3508
02:36:24,700 --> 02:36:22,250
community has been infiltrated I have to

3509
02:36:26,559 --> 02:36:24,710
plead ignorance because whatever has

3510
02:36:28,660 --> 02:36:26,569
been going on in the UFO community I

3511
02:36:31,179 --> 02:36:28,670
have to be quite honest with you Jimmy

3512
02:36:33,420 --> 02:36:31,189
I'm not aware of and it's one of the

3513
02:36:36,400 --> 02:36:33,430
luxuries of working by yourself as I do

3514
02:36:38,800 --> 02:36:36,410
it's really the national UFO Reporting

3515
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:38,810
Center is jann knows and many other

3516
02:36:47,020 --> 02:36:42,080
people know is really only one person

3517
02:36:48,580 --> 02:36:47,030
with a webmaster and so I I am think

3518
02:36:52,030 --> 02:36:48,590
it's correct to say that I'm doing the

3519
02:36:53,559 --> 02:36:52,040
same thing today that I was doing 20

3520
02:36:56,139 --> 02:36:53,569
years ago with the national UFO

3521
02:36:59,170 --> 02:36:56,149
Reporting Center namely taking reports

3522
02:37:01,660 --> 02:36:59,180
and screening them and posting them so

3523
02:37:03,370 --> 02:37:01,670
people may know what's really going on

3524
02:37:05,559 --> 02:37:03,380
as opposed to what our government

3525
02:37:08,110 --> 02:37:05,569
apparently wants us all to think is

3526
02:37:10,300 --> 02:37:08,120
going on and you said to me and the

3527
02:37:13,900 --> 02:37:10,310
reason why I wanted you to say that

3528
02:37:16,420 --> 02:37:13,910
because it's very very very important

3529
02:37:20,130 --> 02:37:16,430
you said something to me earlier today

3530
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:20,140
that just blew my mind which is Jimmy I

3531
02:37:29,080 --> 02:37:23,450
did this what's going on right now is

3532
02:37:30,520 --> 02:37:29,090
exactly why I run alone and sort of I'm

3533
02:37:33,580 --> 02:37:30,530
sort of a loner by Nature

3534
02:37:36,490 --> 02:37:33,590
may explain why I'm pushing my next

3535
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:36,500
birthday I'll be 70 and I'm still not

3536
02:37:41,599 --> 02:37:38,010
married so

3537
02:37:45,590 --> 02:37:41,609
I just enjoy doing this work by myself

3538
02:37:48,320 --> 02:37:45,600
and once you get volunteers I dread what

3539
02:37:50,480 --> 02:37:48,330
Jen must have to put put up with in the

3540
02:37:53,000 --> 02:37:50,490
course of a typical month with all the

3541
02:37:55,130 --> 02:37:53,010
personnel concerns and problems and so

3542
02:37:57,590 --> 02:37:55,140
on and so forth I don't have to put up

3543
02:38:00,080 --> 02:37:57,600
with that and I can focus on actually

3544
02:38:02,840 --> 02:38:00,090
the actual work of ufology namely

3545
02:38:05,179 --> 02:38:02,850
collecting data sifting through it and

3546
02:38:09,380 --> 02:38:05,189
posting it so the public can know what's

3547
02:38:11,080 --> 02:38:09,390
going on so ignorant is bliss in my case

3548
02:38:19,940 --> 02:38:11,090
yes

3549
02:38:23,599 --> 02:38:19,950
Jan Jan Jan Jan you you have experienced

3550
02:38:26,059 --> 02:38:23,609
that that that word disinfo and

3551
02:38:29,809 --> 02:38:26,069
infiltration and influence from the

3552
02:38:33,380 --> 02:38:29,819
outside on a global scale that's that's

3553
02:38:36,650 --> 02:38:33,390
it's your job have has has ethology

3554
02:38:39,110 --> 02:38:36,660
always been infiltrated with

3555
02:38:42,440 --> 02:38:39,120
disinformation and we are forced into

3556
02:38:44,269 --> 02:38:42,450
running our own filters well yeah before

3557
02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:44,279
I answer that and just say that that

3558
02:38:48,860 --> 02:38:46,410
many people don't know how closely Peter

3559
02:38:51,230 --> 02:38:48,870
and I and the MUFON organization worked

3560
02:38:53,059 --> 02:38:51,240
good I just think I my hat off to Peter

3561
02:38:55,250 --> 02:38:53,069
for all the great work that he does

3562
02:38:56,809 --> 02:38:55,260
because as a one-man operation he

3563
02:38:59,150 --> 02:38:56,819
doesn't incredible amount of great

3564
02:39:01,240 --> 02:38:59,160
things and we often to check our two

3565
02:39:05,150 --> 02:39:01,250
databases to make sure what's being seen

3566
02:39:07,190 --> 02:39:05,160
but to answer your question I think we

3567
02:39:09,440 --> 02:39:07,200
are certainly closely watched as a group

3568
02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:09,450
because just think about it what's being

3569
02:39:13,300 --> 02:39:11,370
reported to us by the public could

3570
02:39:15,620 --> 02:39:13,310
possibly be top-secret aircraft

3571
02:39:17,150 --> 02:39:15,630
developed by our government that they

3572
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:17,160
don't want other people to know about

3573
02:39:20,840 --> 02:39:18,240
they don't want the Russians to know

3574
02:39:23,240 --> 02:39:20,850
about we've had a tax from from Russia

3575
02:39:26,030 --> 02:39:23,250
we've had a tax from Afghanistan on our

3576
02:39:28,809 --> 02:39:26,040
computer systems there's always people

3577
02:39:31,130 --> 02:39:28,819
out there trying to take take it down

3578
02:39:35,120 --> 02:39:31,140
make it go away

3579
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:35,130
but I think overall we just need to stay

3580
02:39:39,860 --> 02:39:37,290
strong get the information out to the

3581
02:39:40,910 --> 02:39:39,870
public and just keep banging on the rock

3582
02:39:42,019 --> 02:39:40,920
and one of these days it's going to

3583
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:42,029
shatter and we're going to have the

3584
02:39:48,309 --> 02:39:43,920
answers have you ever caught anybody

3585
02:39:51,281 --> 02:39:48,319
inside of MUFON that was deliberately a

3586
02:39:53,961 --> 02:39:51,291
participating in disinformation

3587
02:39:55,251 --> 02:39:53,971
no I haven't but but I mean that's hard

3588
02:39:56,900 --> 02:39:55,261
to say I mean that's one of the first

3589
02:39:58,761 --> 02:39:56,910
questions I asked myself I was listen to

3590
02:40:00,921 --> 02:39:58,771
Steve speak earlier you know when you

3591
02:40:02,991 --> 02:40:00,931
put these speakers on in conferences and

3592
02:40:05,860 --> 02:40:03,001
different things even local chapter

3593
02:40:08,871 --> 02:40:05,870
meetings you know it's very hard to tell

3594
02:40:11,060 --> 02:40:08,881
where the truth is right and so I I

3595
02:40:13,430 --> 02:40:11,070
often tell the audiences look this could

3596
02:40:15,350 --> 02:40:13,440
be disinformation so you have to be

3597
02:40:16,671 --> 02:40:15,360
discerning you have to listen just

3598
02:40:18,051 --> 02:40:16,681
because you hear it doesn't mean you

3599
02:40:20,541 --> 02:40:18,061
have to believe it but you might want to

3600
02:40:22,400 --> 02:40:20,551
listen be polite and ask the tough

3601
02:40:25,850 --> 02:40:22,410
questions but then make up your own mind

3602
02:40:28,100 --> 02:40:25,860
and so I think I am sure that our field

3603
02:40:30,470 --> 02:40:28,110
is fraught with disinformation I I just

3604
02:40:32,031 --> 02:40:30,480
believe that that's part of the dirty

3605
02:40:35,091 --> 02:40:32,041
tricks that are being played on the

3606
02:40:38,121 --> 02:40:35,101
whole UFO field but I don't I'm not

3607
02:40:40,791 --> 02:40:38,131
aware of any specific ones myself what

3608
02:40:43,701 --> 02:40:40,801
would you do if if something like that

3609
02:40:45,411 --> 02:40:43,711
surfaced I mean do you have do you have

3610
02:40:50,661 --> 02:40:45,421
that I mean do you have an

3611
02:40:52,881 --> 02:40:50,671
infrastructure in place to to deal with

3612
02:40:55,011 --> 02:40:52,891
somebody that could be possibly not only

3613
02:40:59,961 --> 02:40:55,021
under the payroll but there deliberately

3614
02:41:01,701 --> 02:40:59,971
to affect the MUFON organization well

3615
02:41:03,320 --> 02:41:01,711
obviously we do our best to distance

3616
02:41:05,060 --> 02:41:03,330
ourselves from them and take them off

3617
02:41:06,921 --> 02:41:05,070
any of our computer systems and make

3618
02:41:09,411 --> 02:41:06,931
sure they're not having access to

3619
02:41:12,020 --> 02:41:09,421
sensitive data probably the first thing

3620
02:41:15,110 --> 02:41:12,030
we do but yeah we have protocols to

3621
02:41:17,211 --> 02:41:15,120
follow it and we do that we do we do

3622
02:41:18,831 --> 02:41:17,221
watch it very closely but again it's

3623
02:41:20,270 --> 02:41:18,841
hard you know this is the one question I

3624
02:41:22,251 --> 02:41:20,280
always get asked like is MUFON

3625
02:41:25,341 --> 02:41:22,261
infiltrated well there's only two

3626
02:41:27,531 --> 02:41:25,351
employees in MUFON myself and my office

3627
02:41:30,520 --> 02:41:27,541
manager we have two contractors beyond

3628
02:41:33,261 --> 02:41:30,530
that that also do things for us but our

3629
02:41:35,091 --> 02:41:33,271
computer systems are set up so that when

3630
02:41:36,711 --> 02:41:35,101
reports come in they're immediately sent

3631
02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:36,721
out to the public so there's nothing

3632
02:41:40,161 --> 02:41:38,730
held on to the only thing is we have we

3633
02:41:42,291 --> 02:41:40,171
have a filter in it to take out all the

3634
02:41:43,850 --> 02:41:42,301
the four-letter words that some people

3635
02:41:45,621 --> 02:41:43,860
seem to want to put into the report so

3636
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:45,631
but those get cleaned up the ones that

3637
02:41:49,251 --> 02:41:47,160
are junk reports we just put it into a

3638
02:41:50,900 --> 02:41:49,261
bucket and hold them but everything

3639
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:50,910
everything 100% of everything that comes

3640
02:41:57,291 --> 02:41:54,240
in goes back out to the public what do

3641
02:41:59,600 --> 02:41:57,301
you think is is behind the the

3642
02:42:02,860 --> 02:41:59,610
negativity that is that has gone on with

3643
02:42:04,511 --> 02:42:02,870
all of these different individuals and

3644
02:42:09,820 --> 02:42:04,521
I don't leave the the ones that are

3645
02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:09,830
purpose and the focus on organizations

3646
02:42:13,150 --> 02:42:11,690
and networks that is that has been

3647
02:42:16,091 --> 02:42:13,160
happening over the last month what do

3648
02:42:18,250 --> 02:42:16,101
you think is causing this well you know

3649
02:42:19,900 --> 02:42:18,260
President Reagan had a sign on his desk

3650
02:42:22,841 --> 02:42:19,910
which I really liked it was a quote by

3651
02:42:24,551 --> 02:42:22,851
Raoul Emerson and it was there's no

3652
02:42:26,770 --> 02:42:24,561
limit to what can be accomplished if we

3653
02:42:28,420 --> 02:42:26,780
don't care who gets the credit and I

3654
02:42:29,950 --> 02:42:28,430
think too many times people are trying

3655
02:42:33,250 --> 02:42:29,960
to make themselves more important than

3656
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:33,260
they are to me it's all about getting to

3657
02:42:36,580 --> 02:42:35,120
the answer I could care about being

3658
02:42:38,920 --> 02:42:36,590
famous I could care about that I just

3659
02:42:41,170 --> 02:42:38,930
want to get the answers collect the data

3660
02:42:43,240 --> 02:42:41,180
get scientists to look at it try to get

3661
02:42:46,091 --> 02:42:43,250
some answers to this thing in my

3662
02:42:47,440 --> 02:42:46,101
lifetime I like to to know exactly where

3663
02:42:49,330 --> 02:42:47,450
these objects are coming from and what

3664
02:42:52,060 --> 02:42:49,340
they're about and why they're here what

3665
02:42:54,220 --> 02:42:52,070
do you think and I'm going to send this

3666
02:42:59,860 --> 02:42:54,230
over to Peter too as well what do you

3667
02:43:01,841 --> 02:42:59,870
think about the the status of the the

3668
02:43:03,820 --> 02:43:01,851
evidence that is here today you guys

3669
02:43:06,460 --> 02:43:03,830
have always been about collecting data

3670
02:43:09,761 --> 02:43:06,470
trace evidence physical evidence going

3671
02:43:12,520 --> 02:43:09,771
out on on different sites and locations

3672
02:43:15,761 --> 02:43:12,530
and certainly video evidence too as well

3673
02:43:18,930 --> 02:43:15,771
but that there doesn't seem to be as

3674
02:43:23,250 --> 02:43:18,940
much of that today as there is

3675
02:43:26,591 --> 02:43:23,260
experiences right out of somebody's

3676
02:43:30,610 --> 02:43:26,601
experience of seeing being going and

3677
02:43:33,880 --> 02:43:30,620
making contact race talked about that a

3678
02:43:36,700 --> 02:43:33,890
little bit earlier that today we are

3679
02:43:39,180 --> 02:43:36,710
about the experience probably more than

3680
02:43:42,520 --> 02:43:39,190
we are about the evidence because we

3681
02:43:44,650 --> 02:43:42,530
accept that aliens are here do you feel

3682
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:44,660
that there's a change in MUFON with that

3683
02:43:49,810 --> 02:43:48,080
approach to ufology well there's two

3684
02:43:51,580 --> 02:43:49,820
sides to the question the first side is

3685
02:43:53,770 --> 02:43:51,590
the physical data and we've had some

3686
02:43:54,630 --> 02:43:53,780
extraordinary cases come to us over the

3687
02:43:57,850 --> 02:43:54,640
last 12 months

3688
02:43:59,700 --> 02:43:57,860
k7 for 282 which was a bar bell-shaped

3689
02:44:02,140 --> 02:43:59,710
crap which was captured on video by a

3690
02:44:04,180 --> 02:44:02,150
defense contractor when it was on a bear

3691
02:44:07,030 --> 02:44:04,190
hunting trip up in northern Canada and

3692
02:44:09,190 --> 02:44:07,040
actually got the the waveforms from the

3693
02:44:10,591 --> 02:44:09,200
craft that came off of it and decided

3694
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:10,601
and figured out that it was

3695
02:44:15,820 --> 02:44:13,610
counter-rotating like super magnetic cow

3696
02:44:18,040 --> 02:44:15,830
rotating engines that were pulsed and

3697
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:18,050
32 Hertz now that's pretty significant

3698
02:44:21,940 --> 02:44:20,000
data to have and I just had lunch today

3699
02:44:24,730 --> 02:44:21,950
with a physicist who is working on this

3700
02:44:26,261 --> 02:44:24,740
in the white world to talk about some of

3701
02:44:27,820 --> 02:44:26,271
these things and how we might use this

3702
02:44:32,051 --> 02:44:27,830
to get ourselves to go interstellar as

3703
02:44:34,511 --> 02:44:32,061
an order as a net you know as a country

3704
02:44:35,320 --> 02:44:34,521
as a world you know I think that's one

3705
02:44:36,850 --> 02:44:35,330
of the things that's really going to

3706
02:44:38,620 --> 02:44:36,860
break this thing wide open as soon as we

3707
02:44:41,230 --> 02:44:38,630
are able to transport ourselves

3708
02:44:43,030 --> 02:44:41,240
interstellar across the vast reaches of

3709
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:43,040
space I think we're going to run into a

3710
02:44:46,511 --> 02:44:44,930
lot of life out there and I think that's

3711
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:46,521
going to pretty much shatter everything

3712
02:44:50,170 --> 02:44:48,650
that we're you know as far as people

3713
02:44:52,570 --> 02:44:50,180
believing maybe we're alone in the

3714
02:44:57,040 --> 02:44:52,580
universe Peter what do you think about

3715
02:45:00,970 --> 02:44:57,050
that we have so much video evidence so

3716
02:45:03,820 --> 02:45:00,980
much eyewitness testimony now what do

3717
02:45:05,980 --> 02:45:03,830
you see coming into the national UFO

3718
02:45:09,160 --> 02:45:05,990
Reporting Center and and how do you

3719
02:45:11,440 --> 02:45:09,170
think the audience should respond to the

3720
02:45:13,630 --> 02:45:11,450
evidence that is presented today do you

3721
02:45:16,840 --> 02:45:13,640
think there's a shift in what we accept

3722
02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:16,850
and what we don't well I pretty much

3723
02:45:21,820 --> 02:45:18,890
agree with what Jen had to say most

3724
02:45:23,740 --> 02:45:21,830
reports that I receive really are not

3725
02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:23,750
high-quality reports from the standpoint

3726
02:45:31,030 --> 02:45:26,960
of a scientific analysis or scientific

3727
02:45:35,470 --> 02:45:31,040
basis however as James cited a one very

3728
02:45:38,620 --> 02:45:35,480
good case about a barbell I to get some

3729
02:45:40,270 --> 02:45:38,630
really really intriguing cases that

3730
02:45:43,450 --> 02:45:40,280
appear to come from people who are

3731
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:43,460
highly qualified witnesses and highly

3732
02:45:49,540 --> 02:45:46,880
reliable sources of information the case

3733
02:45:53,710 --> 02:45:49,550
I would cite is the one I received from

3734
02:45:58,480 --> 02:45:53,720
a retired former US astronaut 5th of

3735
02:46:01,240 --> 02:45:58,490
July 2013 he was at his home in Athens

3736
02:46:04,600 --> 02:46:01,250
Texas about 75 miles southeast of Dallas

3737
02:46:07,570 --> 02:46:04,610
and he saw a cluster of these very

3738
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:07,580
peculiar red or orange lights that have

3739
02:46:13,810 --> 02:46:11,600
been reported both to MUFON and to my

3740
02:46:17,190 --> 02:46:13,820
organization for the last five years in

3741
02:46:19,990 --> 02:46:17,200
very large numbers I've taken probably I

3742
02:46:23,470 --> 02:46:20,000
estimate I haven't measured it somewhere

3743
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:23,480
between 20,000 and 30,000 such reports

3744
02:46:28,870 --> 02:46:27,200
so there is a steady stream albeit a

3745
02:46:32,230 --> 02:46:28,880
small stream

3746
02:46:34,870 --> 02:46:32,240
very good highly reliable what appear to

3747
02:46:37,541 --> 02:46:34,880
be highly reliable reports and they're

3748
02:46:40,660 --> 02:46:37,551
telling us I think the same thing I

3749
02:46:42,671 --> 02:46:40,670
would conclude the jam concluded we

3750
02:46:46,211 --> 02:46:42,681
probably live in a galaxy that is

3751
02:46:49,870 --> 02:46:46,221
teeming with intelligent civilizations

3752
02:46:52,390 --> 02:46:49,880
intelligent creatures and sophisticated

3753
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:52,400
civilizations and we are just on the

3754
02:46:57,430 --> 02:46:55,040
cutting edge of discovering the truth

3755
02:46:59,470 --> 02:46:57,440
about all of this and when somebody says

3756
02:47:03,011 --> 02:46:59,480
to you Peter that's fine

3757
02:47:05,261 --> 02:47:03,021
the reports are fine but I need evidence

3758
02:47:06,640 --> 02:47:05,271
what's your reasons to that well my

3759
02:47:09,730 --> 02:47:06,650
evidence is to point them in the

3760
02:47:11,820 --> 02:47:09,740
direction of passive radar we now have

3761
02:47:15,520 --> 02:47:11,830
the technical and technological

3762
02:47:18,610 --> 02:47:15,530
capability of building a radar detection

3763
02:47:21,041 --> 02:47:18,620
system that will allow us to remove the

3764
02:47:23,711 --> 02:47:21,051
eye witness or the fuzzy photographs of

3765
02:47:27,700 --> 02:47:23,721
which there are so many and we can

3766
02:47:30,341 --> 02:47:27,710
detect UFOs directly with reflected

3767
02:47:33,100 --> 02:47:30,351
radio and television signals and that's

3768
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:33,110
what I want to do in you mentioned the

3769
02:47:38,890 --> 02:47:36,080
next step in my opinion and Jan is well

3770
02:47:41,830 --> 02:47:38,900
familiar with the proposal to use

3771
02:47:44,740 --> 02:47:41,840
passive radar for detecting UFOs the

3772
02:47:48,430 --> 02:47:44,750
next step is to build our own radar

3773
02:47:52,060 --> 02:47:48,440
which we control and which will detect

3774
02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:52,070
any kind of anomalous object in the

3775
02:47:56,560 --> 02:47:53,690
near-earth environment yeah without

3776
02:47:59,291 --> 02:47:56,570
government interference that absolutely

3777
02:48:00,190 --> 02:47:59,301
yeah and I'm going to have you on fade

3778
02:48:01,870 --> 02:48:00,200
to black

3779
02:48:04,480 --> 02:48:01,880
maybe even coast to coast we'll do both

3780
02:48:06,370 --> 02:48:04,490
and and discuss this and take this to

3781
02:48:10,961 --> 02:48:06,380
the next level Jan I wanted to ask you a

3782
02:48:12,970 --> 02:48:10,971
question the first time you were I'm

3783
02:48:14,770 --> 02:48:12,980
trying to think that was probably three

3784
02:48:17,801 --> 02:48:14,780
or four years ago when you were on the

3785
02:48:20,291 --> 02:48:17,811
show you told us about a sighting that

3786
02:48:24,640 --> 02:48:20,301
you had as a child here in the valley

3787
02:48:27,820 --> 02:48:24,650
write a pretty mind-blowing experience

3788
02:48:30,280 --> 02:48:27,830
and and in your description of the craft

3789
02:48:33,461 --> 02:48:30,290
still it's burned into my brain

3790
02:48:36,070 --> 02:48:33,471
but okay and now you want a table can

3791
02:48:38,440 --> 02:48:36,080
you discuss this on the show and and

3792
02:48:40,211 --> 02:48:38,450
then when somebody comes to you and says

3793
02:48:41,229 --> 02:48:40,221
okay Jan I heard you on fade to black

3794
02:48:44,109 --> 02:48:41,239
and I heard about

3795
02:48:47,139 --> 02:48:44,119
this but man what about the evidence how

3796
02:48:50,769 --> 02:48:47,149
can I believe you I need evidence what's

3797
02:48:53,889 --> 02:48:50,779
your response to that well I've had two

3798
02:48:55,659 --> 02:48:53,899
major opportunities in my life the first

3799
02:48:57,460 --> 02:48:55,669
was when I was 10 years old with my

3800
02:48:59,829 --> 02:48:57,470
brother to see this craft in our

3801
02:49:03,909 --> 02:48:59,839
backyard hovering 10 feet off the ground

3802
02:49:07,989 --> 02:49:03,919
30 feet from us so and the second was in

3803
02:49:10,689 --> 02:49:07,999
93 to hear a talk by Ben rich at UCLA

3804
02:49:12,699 --> 02:49:10,699
School of Engineering alumni meeting and

3805
02:49:14,349 --> 02:49:12,709
and and in that case I had another one

3806
02:49:16,689 --> 02:49:14,359
with me with Tom Keller so in both

3807
02:49:18,429 --> 02:49:16,699
instances for whatever reason by the

3808
02:49:21,010 --> 02:49:18,439
grace of God I had somebody else there

3809
02:49:23,499 --> 02:49:21,020
who saw and heard exactly what I saw and

3810
02:49:25,149 --> 02:49:23,509
heard so I've often thought about that

3811
02:49:27,760 --> 02:49:25,159
what would happen if it was just myself

3812
02:49:29,050 --> 02:49:27,770
and it was just my story would anyone

3813
02:49:32,019 --> 02:49:29,060
believe me

3814
02:49:34,449 --> 02:49:32,029
so I can't say why that happened but in

3815
02:49:36,579 --> 02:49:34,459
both instances there was a second

3816
02:49:38,889 --> 02:49:36,589
witness which is corroborated everything

3817
02:49:43,899 --> 02:49:38,899
that I've said is that evidence though

3818
02:49:46,300 --> 02:49:43,909
is you know what I mean okay okay I hear

3819
02:49:49,510 --> 02:49:46,310
you because I have the same I have the

3820
02:49:52,510 --> 02:49:49,520
same stories right just like you and I'm

3821
02:49:54,489 --> 02:49:52,520
often confronted with that so you know

3822
02:49:57,219 --> 02:49:54,499
that this is something I think when I

3823
02:49:59,260 --> 02:49:57,229
hear people say extraordinary things I

3824
02:49:59,649 --> 02:49:59,270
always think to myself well okay maybe I

3825
02:50:01,569 --> 02:49:59,659
don't

3826
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:01,579
should I not believe this person but I

3827
02:50:03,369 --> 02:50:02,810
always think well then why should anyone

3828
02:50:05,559 --> 02:50:03,379
believe me

3829
02:50:07,809 --> 02:50:05,569
so we all have these experiences as

3830
02:50:10,269 --> 02:50:07,819
humans some of them pretty extraordinary

3831
02:50:13,899 --> 02:50:10,279
and most of us choose not to talk about

3832
02:50:15,819 --> 02:50:13,909
them in my case it became evident to me

3833
02:50:17,559 --> 02:50:15,829
that that hey I've had this experience I

3834
02:50:18,729 --> 02:50:17,569
should talk about it I should go out and

3835
02:50:20,289 --> 02:50:18,739
make people aware of it because I think

3836
02:50:21,609 --> 02:50:20,299
it's by the most significant thing

3837
02:50:23,349 --> 02:50:21,619
that's ever going to happen to mankind

3838
02:50:25,719 --> 02:50:23,359
is to figure out and find out that we're

3839
02:50:27,550 --> 02:50:25,729
not alone in this universe and so and

3840
02:50:28,899 --> 02:50:27,560
that's a great point I'm going to come

3841
02:50:33,249 --> 02:50:28,909
back to Peter but I want you to finish

3842
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:33,259
the thought if because of that because

3843
02:50:40,359 --> 02:50:36,890
of your own experience that allows you

3844
02:50:42,099 --> 02:50:40,369
to listen to others who have maybe

3845
02:50:45,069 --> 02:50:42,109
extraordinary claims or extraordinary

3846
02:50:46,719 --> 02:50:45,079
experiences but you listen because you

3847
02:50:50,369 --> 02:50:46,729
know what happened to you and your

3848
02:50:53,859 --> 02:50:50,379
brother correct Peter same thing for you

3849
02:50:55,060 --> 02:50:53,869
yeah the reason I'm on this program

3850
02:50:58,570 --> 02:50:55,070
tonight is because of an

3851
02:51:01,150 --> 02:50:58,580
incident that occurred sixty sixty four

3852
02:51:03,160 --> 02:51:01,160
years ago in st. Louis right on the

3853
02:51:05,591 --> 02:51:03,170
south edge of st. Louis Airport

3854
02:51:08,020 --> 02:51:05,601
I had a sighting any of our listeners

3855
02:51:10,870 --> 02:51:08,030
can read my written account of what I

3856
02:51:13,511 --> 02:51:10,880
experienced and it was an event that was

3857
02:51:16,631 --> 02:51:13,521
witnessed no doubt by certainly hundreds

3858
02:51:18,730 --> 02:51:16,641
of people maybe even thousands people

3859
02:51:20,770 --> 02:51:18,740
who were getting out of their cars at a

3860
02:51:23,200 --> 02:51:20,780
drive-in theater they were ignoring the

3861
02:51:25,360 --> 02:51:23,210
movie they were racing around shouting

3862
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:25,370
they were slamming car doors and yelling

3863
02:51:32,530 --> 02:51:29,530
and there was a very very bizarre

3864
02:51:34,870 --> 02:51:32,540
extremely bright red object hovering in

3865
02:51:36,730 --> 02:51:34,880
the nighttime sky I didn't know it at

3866
02:51:39,160 --> 02:51:36,740
the time I was 6 years of age at the

3867
02:51:42,070 --> 02:51:39,170
time I didn't know it while I was

3868
02:51:44,470 --> 02:51:42,080
looking at the object but my father was

3869
02:51:46,930 --> 02:51:44,480
in the air traffic control tower on the

3870
02:51:49,091 --> 02:51:46,940
other side of st. Louis Airport on the

3871
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:49,101
north side at that time near McDonald

3872
02:51:54,100 --> 02:51:52,160
and they were all looking at it with

3873
02:51:58,150 --> 02:51:54,110
binoculars as well trying to figure out

3874
02:52:00,671 --> 02:51:58,160
what it was very dramatic event and just

3875
02:52:05,711 --> 02:52:00,681
as a codicil just as an addendum to my

3876
02:52:08,501 --> 02:52:05,721
comment there's only one written account

3877
02:52:11,291 --> 02:52:08,511
of that sighting even though thousands

3878
02:52:13,360 --> 02:52:11,301
of people must have seen it and if

3879
02:52:15,881 --> 02:52:13,370
something we're up against in ufology I

3880
02:52:19,390 --> 02:52:15,891
estimate that out of somewhere between

3881
02:52:22,751 --> 02:52:19,400
10,000 and 20,000 adult competent clear

3882
02:52:26,020 --> 02:52:22,761
thinking Americans who see a UFO or what

3883
02:52:29,051 --> 02:52:26,030
most likely was a UFO only one out of

3884
02:52:32,110 --> 02:52:29,061
that 10 or 20,000 will ever come forward

3885
02:52:34,541 --> 02:52:32,120
one person out of 20,000 that's what we

3886
02:52:37,690 --> 02:52:34,551
you follow just are up against is trying

3887
02:52:40,990 --> 02:52:37,700
to get people to come forward your

3888
02:52:42,551 --> 02:52:41,000
numbers that you have been putting

3889
02:52:45,761 --> 02:52:42,561
together and I've been reading some of

3890
02:52:48,490 --> 02:52:45,771
the press releases on this especially

3891
02:52:51,211 --> 02:52:48,500
over the last two years the numbers and

3892
02:52:54,610 --> 02:52:51,221
then the amount of sightings are up an

3893
02:52:58,480 --> 02:52:54,620
extraordinary amount now Peter can you

3894
02:53:01,060 --> 02:52:58,490
attribute that to our own aircraft and

3895
02:53:03,820 --> 02:53:01,070
black programs or are we just being

3896
02:53:06,551 --> 02:53:03,830
visited more I'm going to have to take

3897
02:53:08,800 --> 02:53:06,561
issue with the statistic cited and I

3898
02:53:11,740 --> 02:53:08,810
credit MUFON for having done the

3899
02:53:13,359 --> 02:53:11,750
work I think Roger Marsh might have been

3900
02:53:16,059 --> 02:53:13,369
one of the spear points the editor of

3901
02:53:18,700 --> 02:53:16,069
the MUFON Journal and other individuals

3902
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:18,710
and MUFON they have published articles

3903
02:53:25,689 --> 02:53:21,920
that suggest that there's actually been

3904
02:53:29,290 --> 02:53:25,699
a reduction in the number of reports

3905
02:53:31,210 --> 02:53:29,300
relative to prior years however I would

3906
02:53:33,490 --> 02:53:31,220
like to address a related issue that

3907
02:53:36,340 --> 02:53:33,500
supports your statement Jimmy and that

3908
02:53:39,370 --> 02:53:36,350
is in my opinion and I welcome jambs

3909
02:53:42,849 --> 02:53:39,380
comment on this in my opinion the

3910
02:53:46,630 --> 02:53:42,859
quality the nature of the reports that I

3911
02:53:49,300 --> 02:53:46,640
am receiving has changed and it leads me

3912
02:53:52,260 --> 02:53:49,310
to believe that these objects we call

3913
02:53:55,540 --> 02:53:52,270
UFOs and aliens and so forth are

3914
02:53:57,460 --> 02:53:55,550
apparently more willing to show

3915
02:54:00,550 --> 02:53:57,470
themselves overtly today than was the

3916
02:54:02,260 --> 02:54:00,560
case even five years ago Jan what do you

3917
02:54:04,929 --> 02:54:02,270
think you think the sightings are up

3918
02:54:08,200 --> 02:54:04,939
certainly you you have the data in front

3919
02:54:10,660 --> 02:54:08,210
of you well yeah actually I mean for us

3920
02:54:12,309 --> 02:54:10,670
they've tailed off a tad but I thought I

3921
02:54:13,780 --> 02:54:12,319
what I've done is I've looked at the

3922
02:54:16,599 --> 02:54:13,790
sightings that have come in in a given

3923
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:16,609
year that were from that year because we

3924
02:54:20,500 --> 02:54:19,040
get reports from past years too and it's

3925
02:54:23,260 --> 02:54:20,510
been up in the six to eight thousand

3926
02:54:24,250 --> 02:54:23,270
range for us I mean and our forms a

3927
02:54:26,050 --> 02:54:24,260
little harder to fill out because we

3928
02:54:27,639 --> 02:54:26,060
take a lot of data in so it's been

3929
02:54:29,200 --> 02:54:27,649
pretty consistent for us the last five

3930
02:54:32,019 --> 02:54:29,210
years in terms of amount of sizes we've

3931
02:54:34,090 --> 02:54:32,029
been getting we've been also finding

3932
02:54:35,950 --> 02:54:34,100
some very very quality cases in there

3933
02:54:38,559 --> 02:54:35,960
I'd mentioned the one on the barbell we

3934
02:54:40,929 --> 02:54:38,569
had one last year to wear a craft landed

3935
02:54:42,599 --> 02:54:40,939
in New York and when it was investigated

3936
02:54:44,649 --> 02:54:42,609
the background radiation within the

3937
02:54:47,469 --> 02:54:44,659
center of the circle where the craft

3938
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:47,479
landed was six times background and when

3939
02:54:50,380 --> 02:54:48,800
you stepped out of that it was went

3940
02:54:51,760 --> 02:54:50,390
right back to background radiation so

3941
02:54:54,309 --> 02:54:51,770
there was definitely some kind of a

3942
02:54:57,160 --> 02:54:54,319
advanced technology craft that it landed

3943
02:54:59,019 --> 02:54:57,170
there I want to thank to both of you in

3944
02:55:02,679 --> 02:54:59,029
advance for coming out tonight this is

3945
02:55:04,870 --> 02:55:02,689
just a very important subject to all of

3946
02:55:08,290 --> 02:55:04,880
us and I think that we can kind of

3947
02:55:10,719 --> 02:55:08,300
deduce the overall flavor of the show

3948
02:55:14,019 --> 02:55:10,729
tonight from everybody is we just have

3949
02:55:16,269 --> 02:55:14,029
to listen to we have to our community

3950
02:55:19,899 --> 02:55:16,279
has to listen to everybody

3951
02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:19,909
we cannot clamp people down or censor or

3952
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:22,160
shut people off because then there

3953
02:55:28,631 --> 02:55:24,080
is going to stop talking and then we we

3954
02:55:31,060 --> 02:55:28,641
have nothing in the end absolutely thank

3955
02:55:35,140 --> 02:55:31,070
you so much Peter thank you so much jam

3956
02:55:37,870 --> 02:55:35,150
for taking out the time tonight to to to

3957
02:55:39,280 --> 02:55:37,880
take part in this very important

3958
02:55:41,200 --> 02:55:39,290
discussion I want to thank to both of

3959
02:55:42,700 --> 02:55:41,210
you Peter I'll probably see you in a

3960
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:42,710
couple of weeks on coast to coast my

3961
02:55:47,140 --> 02:55:45,200
favorite part of coast is when Peter

3962
02:55:49,900 --> 02:55:47,150
comes out on a Friday night and I get to

3963
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:49,910
listen to Peter do his rundown of the

3964
02:55:54,881 --> 02:55:52,160
ladies I think she had yeah the kind

3965
02:55:56,591 --> 02:55:54,891
words and I look forward to my next next

3966
02:55:58,900 --> 02:55:56,601
appearance on fade to black or coast

3967
02:56:01,270 --> 02:55:58,910
thank you so much Peter behave out there

3968
02:56:02,680 --> 02:56:01,280
keep doing your thing all right Thank

3969
02:56:04,631 --> 02:56:02,690
You Jimmy is it possible I could just

3970
02:56:07,870 --> 02:56:04,641
finalize on one last note yeah

3971
02:56:09,940 --> 02:56:07,880
absolutely Jan yeah uptight I I very

3972
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much feel and we talked about earlier in

3973
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the show about a major shift coming and

3974
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it's almost like we sit on the San

3975
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Andreas Fault here in Southern

3976
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California at any moment it could

3977
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rupture and send us on a wild ride we're

3978
02:56:23,350 --> 02:56:21,110
sitting on that same kind of a Fault in

3979
02:56:23,890 --> 02:56:23,360
the UFO community and it's really three

3980
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pronged

3981
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the first is the search for exoplanets I

3982
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mean we've got earth sized planets being

3983
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found almost daily by our by our

3984
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astronomers which are pointing out to

3985
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people that there is definitely life

3986
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out there in the universe second is

3987
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private space with private space within

3988
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the next five to ten years you and I are

3989
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gonna be going up in space and being

3990
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able to get up there and see things for

3991
02:56:49,750 --> 02:56:46,580
ourselves firsthand right we've got

3992
02:56:51,970 --> 02:56:49,760
China India Japan all putting probes on

3993
02:56:54,341 --> 02:56:51,980
the moon setting up to Mars trying to

3994
02:56:55,960 --> 02:56:54,351
put men on the moon so anything could

3995
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happen there and the last is there's a

3996
02:57:01,330 --> 02:56:59,271
group of people about 30 or 50

3997
02:57:03,250 --> 02:57:01,340
scientists who are working in the white

3998
02:57:05,350 --> 02:57:03,260
world on this faster to light travel and

3999
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and they're very close to making a

4000
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:07,730
breakthrough on that and frankly any one

4001
02:57:12,490 --> 02:57:10,010
of those three could be a major rupture

4002
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that will send us to the point where

4003
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people will say oh my gosh absolutely

4004
02:57:19,180 --> 02:57:16,730
we're not alone there is other life out

4005
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there I think we're right on the edge

4006
02:57:25,210 --> 02:57:21,860
and I can feel the excitement with that

4007
02:57:27,820 --> 02:57:25,220
Jan and and certainly ending this show

4008
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:27,830
tonight on such a high note I totally

4009
02:57:33,551 --> 02:57:30,800
agree we are right there we are on the

4010
02:57:35,650 --> 02:57:33,561
edge of the cliff taking a peek at what

4011
02:57:37,270 --> 02:57:35,660
the immediate future could actually

4012
02:57:41,801 --> 02:57:37,280
be you're absolutely right Chan thank

4013
02:57:44,830 --> 02:57:41,811
you so much and good luck at the MUFON

4014
02:57:46,780 --> 02:57:44,840
symposium coming up next month in in Las

4015
02:57:50,110 --> 02:57:46,790
Vegas that's going to be exciting and

4016
02:57:52,690 --> 02:57:50,120
maybe maybe I'll do a drive-by because I

4017
02:57:54,280 --> 02:57:52,700
want to go to a casino okay okay great

4018
02:57:56,830 --> 02:57:54,290
we love to have you thank you so much

4019
02:57:58,690 --> 02:57:56,840
and behaving be well I will thank you

4020
02:58:03,640 --> 02:57:58,700
Jan Harz Ann and Peter Davenport

4021
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:03,650
everybody and that concludes our UFO

4022
02:58:10,150 --> 02:58:07,130
community roundtable very special thanks

4023
02:58:12,820 --> 02:58:10,160
to Lee Spiegel Micah Hanks Ray's Hobbs

4024
02:58:15,881 --> 02:58:12,830
John burrows Mike Berra John de souza

4025
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:15,891
Steve Murillo Tom dan Houser of course

4026
02:58:20,801 --> 02:58:18,800
Jan Harrison and Peter Davenport I am

4027
02:58:23,080 --> 02:58:20,811
your host Jimmy church paid to Black's

4028
02:58:24,910 --> 02:58:23,090
executive producer is Rita Kumari on

4029
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shows produced by him Jay Paul Marty

4030
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4031
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Dennis thank you Bob announcers are

4032
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Steve harder Jeanne veto will mark D

4033
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4039
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4043
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the game changer network thank you to

4044
02:59:04,450 --> 02:59:03,650
everybody that participated tonight in

4045
02:59:06,190 --> 02:59:04,460
this roundtable

4046
02:59:09,460 --> 02:59:06,200
I'm your host Jimmy Church you can

4047
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:09,470
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4048
02:59:13,091 --> 02:59:10,010
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4049
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Fator night open lines Jon Rappoport no

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